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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by 0xmohit »

siidooloo wrote: post #119
0xmohit wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what were the changes like? Curious.

People were accusing him of being a pedophile because redit removed a subreddit that was involved in a conspiracy falsley accusing other people of being pedophiles. He changed the attribution of the accusation to be against the people doing the brigading.

Funny. They site says that they don't do that.

Quoting from Reddit Help: Will you remove something defamatory about me or my friend? [0]:

  The best way to deal with incorrect information on the Internet is to post
  the correct information next to it. The reddit community is usually very
  supportive of such a response, and will likely vote to give the correction
  greater prominence than the original post. Redditors love a good
  counterpoint.
[0] https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204528069-Will-...

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by pron »

wtbob wrote: post #146
mrob wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Singular they is just as much proper English as generic he. If both are correct why not use the one that minimizes offense? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they#Usage

> Singular they is just as much proper English as generic he. In the right contexts, sure — but singular they is not a drop-in replacement for generic he, and using them identically is incorrect.

First of all, Cantrill does not say anywhere that they should be used identically. Second, I'm not sure they cannot be used in a similar way. For example, Wikipedia cites this sentence, "If a person is born of a ... gloomy temper ... they cannot help it," from 1759.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by sachel1sta »

jsprogrammer wrote: post #95

The CEO of Google was busted by his emails for conspiring to suppress wages. WikiLeaks recently released a 2014 email[1] from Eric where he appears to conspire with the Clinton campaign/dnc to have "low paid permanent employees". [1] https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37262 E: bots are out?

Your text is nearly white within 19 minutes of being posted.

It's obvious HackerNews is not safe--from certain people.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by [deleted] »

rocketpastsix wrote: post #23
heroprotagonist wrote: post #18

So.. here's the thing. I think that spez did everyone a favor by editing those user comments. We know that politicians and corporations game the system already with fake accounts, presumably as a tool for manipulating public opinion. We know from the code that user comments aren't encrypted at all, or their voting tallies. It would require a very small tweak to manipulate things from the server side. Given that, user…

Not to mention, its pretty widely known that /r/the_donald uses bots to up the votes and push their stuff higher on /r/all. Not that Im thrilled that Spez did what he did, but /r/the_donald has been pushing the line ever since it was created.

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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by wtbob »

the_af wrote: post #109
wtbob wrote: post #55

> The sensible amongst us should be above childish drama like this. Are there many sensible among us? Remember, this is an industry in which a CTO would fire an employee for using proper English[0]. It's an industry where a CEO called for employees who voted for a candidate he opposed to resign. We passed the point of insensibility a long time ago. [0] Bryan Cantrill stated in 2013 that Joyent will fire any employee…

> this is an industry in which a CTO would fire an employee for using proper English[0] I disagree with this being a fireable offense, but I read the post and this wasn't about using "proper" English, since both pronouns were correctly used. It was about using unnecessary gendered pronouns when a neutral one would be more inclusive (i.e. it's wrong to consider the user a "he"). Again, firing would be an overreaction…

> the neutral pronoun is equally correct from an English language perspective

The neutral pronoun in English is 'it,' and using it to refer to a human being is always wrong.

The use of singular they is in a few contexts correct, but in many more contexts incorrect. The use of 'he-or-she' is inelegant and incorrect, and the use of generic she is less incorrect than silly.

Seriously, this is remarkably silly. 'Girl' in German is a neutral word, but no-one would say that German girls think of themselves as genderless. 'He' in English is normally the correct word to use generically; no-one sane would say that English-speakers think everyone is male.

(for that matter, the English word 'man' actually is genderless: the English word for a male human being is 'were,' as in werewolf — it's cognate to Latin 'vir')

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by justin_vanw »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #141
justin_vanw wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder how dramatic this really is? There must be a hundred forums to discuss go, people aren't so helpless they can't find their way off of reddit.

Dramatic enough for frequent visitors. Forums are dime a dozen, but a community you get used to and grow to like is unique for you. If HN was to be suddenly shut down, I'd literally be heartbroken.

I mean, if everyone preferred to leave anyway, then it would be an empty gesture to shut it down.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by OldSchoolJohnny »

bradfitz wrote: post #87

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position. As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was). Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platfor…

It's adorable that you think any site is immune to that kind of interference.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by 1012938102 »

pron wrote: post #103
wtbob wrote: post #55

> The sensible amongst us should be above childish drama like this. Are there many sensible among us? Remember, this is an industry in which a CTO would fire an employee for using proper English[0]. It's an industry where a CEO called for employees who voted for a candidate he opposed to resign. We passed the point of insensibility a long time ago. [0] Bryan Cantrill stated in 2013 that Joyent will fire any employee…

> Bryan Cantrill stated in 2013 that Joyent will fire any employee who uses English pronouns correctly: https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun He did not. He wrote, "to reject a pull request that eliminates a gendered pronoun on the principle that pronouns should in fact be gendered would constitute a fireable offense" (emphasis in original). First, this is very different from "using English pronouns"; yo…

You can prevail here and censor 'wtbob in your filter bubble, but then all of a sudden someone like Trump is elected ...

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by bradfitz »

saboot wrote: post #117
bradfitz wrote: post #87

I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position. As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was). Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platfor…

You have every right to take this position, and if you feel strongly have no obligation to stay. What I cannot understand is the next step of proposing to close the entire subreddit. Don't want to moderate it anymore? Then don't. A subreddit is made up of it's users, not just the moderators.

The background is that we have some official spaces and some unofficial spaces.

I thought our subreddit was an official space that we created. It turns out we didn't create it, so it's not ours to delete.

I'm now proposing we just make it unofficial.

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