Why is the initial reaction to delete the sub instead of find a new owner?
Deleting the golang subreddit
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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#52As mentioned by others in the thread, deleting it would just make it possible for someone to take it over the open it again. Setting the community to private not only solves the issue, but it allows them to bring it back in its current state at any time if they wish to in the future.
What issue does it solve exactly? the users want to keep using it, only Brad and a couple others want to kill it.
The issue of investing time in a language which prefers to push a political agenda at the expense of alienating their community.
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not so sure dismissing this as "childish drama" is smart. Sure, it's technically possible, but technical possibility does not mean it should be used, especially in this sort of way. I don't think it's a bad idea to disassociate yourself from a company who's behaving in a way you don't want to condone.
It may not be smart, but it definitely is not stupid as you might have insinuated. Individuals deciding to exit because they disagree with company policy (editing content and apologizing) is one thing, forcing others, who don't care about stupid internet drama and conspiracy theories, to do the same is entirely something else. (that something else is borderline despotic)
Again "stupid internet drama and conspiracy theories" this is not.
An admin abused their power. It's ripe for abuse and they've proven they're willing to abuse it and not mature enough to treat that power respectfully. I have a hard time respecting a company with someone like that as CEO. No conspiracy, no politics, just what happened.
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#54I get their point, but I also think that a large part of the reason that people are using the Golang subreddit is Google Groups. If the Go team could just abandon Google Groups as the main forum for discussing Go, then just maybe there wouldn't be a need for the subreddit. I know that some people like Google Groups, but there's at least an equally large group that absolutely hate it. Personally I find it to be such a…
This! Exactly.
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#55> The sensible amongst us should be above childish drama like this.
Are there many sensible among us? Remember, this is an industry in which a CTO would fire an employee for using proper English[0]. It's an industry where a CEO called for employees who voted for a candidate he opposed to resign.
We passed the point of insensibility a long time ago.
[0] Bryan Cantrill stated in 2013 that Joyent will fire any employee who uses English pronouns correctly: https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#56Closing a thriving community just because an admin feels some moral imperative to do it is just short sided. If you don't like Reddit, write a blog post, blow some steam, delete your Reddit account, be as critical as you wish, but don't kill a community just because you can.
I feel like some people don't understand the gravity of what he did. He edited someone elses comments. What is the point in being part of a community where the website owners may be editing random comments? It undermines the whole thing. Let me ask a question. If it turned out that Google had started selectively "editing" peoples email coming from Gmail, would you still be fine using Gmail?
He pranked some pranksters. That's it.
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#57This is about trust.
If a space where a community gathers isn't trusted, core members of that community are going to want to leave.
Trust is delicate. Trust is giving someone the power to do harm you or to misuse what you have given them, in the belief that they will not do those things.
The trust has been shattered, and probably only the core members currently realise this. Those are the users for whom "this is our voice, this is what we've said" is important.
It is really sad that the trust has been broken, but there you have it. If key people in any community believe that their words (which are their reputation) can (will) be edited, misrepresented... then there really is a problem.
The worst-case logical conclusions are legal liability, the best case is stress and friction caused by confusions and mis-truths.
I run forums, I know this is about trust, I've seen it played out.
When I designed the forum software for the sites I run I made the database an append-on-write system to store historical revisions of every comment. I can't display those (if a user edited something to remove something that had legal/personal implications then they should not be public) but I do store them and provide no moderator any access to edit them.
Trust is really important. This isn't, as others suggest, petty.
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
As one of many T_D users, I sure love to be called a Russian bot. So, citation needed. Edit: to people downvoting, please elaborate.
I'm far from stating that t_d used bots to push submissions up, because there is no definite proof, but what I know for sure is that the US election ruined browsing /r/all for me. While it was mostly porn and memes before, every now and then I would bump into something interesting from a subreddit I didn't know. But during the election it was 90% of either t_d or sandersforpresident. EDIT: Apparently reddit has chang…
Any one subreddit is at most 3-4 posts on any page of r/all. This change was made months ago.
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
It may not be smart, but it definitely is not stupid as you might have insinuated. Individuals deciding to exit because they disagree with company policy (editing content and apologizing) is one thing, forcing others, who don't care about stupid internet drama and conspiracy theories, to do the same is entirely something else. (that something else is borderline despotic)
Again "stupid internet drama and conspiracy theories" this is not. An admin abused their power. It's ripe for abuse and they've proven they're willing to abuse it and not mature enough to treat that power respectfully. I have a hard time respecting a company with someone like that as CEO. No conspiracy, no politics, just what happened.
Willing to abuse it - that is conspiracy -. How do you know that something done once will repeat? Will google restart google buzz because they did it once? Will everyone jump ship to RoR because they did it before? I am doing everything I can not to create strawmen believe me, but your explanation simply does not cut it.
Re: Deleting the golang subreddit
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm far from stating that t_d used bots to push submissions up, because there is no definite proof, but what I know for sure is that the US election ruined browsing /r/all for me. While it was mostly porn and memes before, every now and then I would bump into something interesting from a subreddit I didn't know. But during the election it was 90% of either t_d or sandersforpresident. EDIT: Apparently reddit has chang…
Reddit actually tweaked the /r/all algorithm to change this. Which basically looks like a political move and it is kind of sketchy in that regard, but for users like you it's probably beneficial.
I didn't know, thank you! I've edited my post so it doesn't misinform people.