Deleting the golang subreddit • Hacker News Board

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by zapu » Fri, Nov 25, 2016, 3:39 PM UTC

There is a thread on golang subreddit about this. Users are not happy.

https://www.reddit.com/r/golang/comments/5eqs64/proposal_to_...

From what I understand, the golang team does not want any association with the subredit or reddit as a whole. But I don't understand how /u/spez actions have triggered this. It looks like the proposal of /r/golang deletion is either a political statement, or go team wanted to get rid of it before and were just looking for an excuse.

Everything at expense of /r/golang (and therefore the go language itself) users.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by CalChris » Fri, Nov 25, 2016, 3:39 PM UTC

mrweasel wrote: post #22

vostok wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not too up to date on this. What is your preferred alternative to Google Groups? Mailman?

NNTP, phpbb, anything else. Google Groups literally have the worst interface of any product that I've used in the last 6 - 8 years. But yes, an old fashion mailing list, archived on marc.info, would be a huge step up. I can only assume that Google Groups is some sort of half baked example to show that GWT works.

Try Yahoo Groups and you'll crawl back to Google Groups on your knees.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by Twirrim » Fri, Nov 25, 2016, 3:40 PM UTC

potatosoup wrote: post #30

rocketpastsix wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention, its pretty widely known that /r/the_donald uses bots to up the votes and push their stuff higher on /r/all. Not that Im thrilled that Spez did what he did, but /r/the_donald has been pushing the line ever since it was created.

As one of many T_D users, I sure love to be called a Russian bot. So, citation needed. Edit: to people downvoting, please elaborate.

Interesting that you inserted the word "Russian" there.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by problems » Fri, Nov 25, 2016, 3:41 PM UTC

BoorishBears wrote: post #11

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

I'm not so sure dismissing this as "childish drama" is smart. Sure, it's technically possible, but technical possibility does not mean it should be used, especially in this sort of way.

I don't think it's a bad idea to disassociate yourself from a company who's behaving in a way you don't want to condone.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by snsr » Fri, Nov 25, 2016, 3:41 PM UTC

potatosoup wrote: post #30

rocketpastsix wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention, its pretty widely known that /r/the_donald uses bots to up the votes and push their stuff higher on /r/all. Not that Im thrilled that Spez did what he did, but /r/the_donald has been pushing the line ever since it was created.

As one of many T_D users, I sure love to be called a Russian bot. So, citation needed. Edit: to people downvoting, please elaborate.

> Edit: to people downvoting, please elaborate.

You're an asshole.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by wmil » Fri, Nov 25, 2016, 3:41 PM UTC

water42 wrote: post #28

rocketpastsix wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention, its pretty widely known that /r/the_donald uses bots to up the votes and push their stuff higher on /r/all. Not that Im thrilled that Spez did what he did, but /r/the_donald has been pushing the line ever since it was created.

Do you have any proof of this? I haven't heard this before and they certainly have an active enough community to push things to the r/all quickly.

Early on mods encouraged users to upvote everything to counter brigading. Then they noticed that it got them on /r/all. So now they just randomly post notices of brigading.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by potatosoup » Fri, Nov 25, 2016, 3:42 PM UTC

Twirrim wrote: post #33

potatosoup wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As one of many T_D users, I sure love to be called a Russian bot. So, citation needed. Edit: to people downvoting, please elaborate.

Interesting that you inserted the word "Russian" there.

It's a long running joke on the sub after being constantly accused of being bots (and probably bots created by Russian hackers closely working with Trump.)

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by masklinn » Fri, Nov 25, 2016, 3:42 PM UTC

nicpottier wrote: post #15

shurcooL wrote: post #8

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Yep. Its user experience is straight from the 90s. Can't edit your messages to fix typos, can't do pleasant and friendly formatting with preview, and don't even get me started on controls over notifications.

It's a mailing list.. you want it to be a forum, but that's not the point or what it is meant to be. Some of us prefer mailing lists and interacting over email in our preferred client over having to go to various websites and deal with their varying user interfaces.

> It's a mailing list..

Except absolutely awful, it's worse than the standard mailman ML and that's saying something.

> you want it to be a forum, but that's not the point or what it is meant to be.

One of the issues being google groups looks a lot like a forum (dedicated web UI, starring, replies to threads, etc…) without any of the good points of a forum.

Basically, for most people google groups is the lowest common denominator of a forum and a mailing list, making it unmitigated garbage.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by zapu » Fri, Nov 25, 2016, 3:42 PM UTC

potatosoup wrote: post #30

rocketpastsix wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention, its pretty widely known that /r/the_donald uses bots to up the votes and push their stuff higher on /r/all. Not that Im thrilled that Spez did what he did, but /r/the_donald has been pushing the line ever since it was created.

As one of many T_D users, I sure love to be called a Russian bot. So, citation needed. Edit: to people downvoting, please elaborate.

I'm far from stating that t_d used bots to push submissions up, because there is no definite proof, but what I know for sure is that the US election ruined browsing /r/all for me. While it was mostly porn and memes before, every now and then I would bump into something interesting from a subreddit I didn't know. But during the election it was 90% of either t_d or sandersforpresident.

EDIT: Apparently reddit has changed the /r/all algorithm so this is no longer true. Thanks everyone for informing me!

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by MildlySerious » Fri, Nov 25, 2016, 3:42 PM UTC

rocketpastsix wrote: post #23

heroprotagonist wrote: post #18

So.. here's the thing. I think that spez did everyone a favor by editing those user comments. We know that politicians and corporations game the system already with fake accounts, presumably as a tool for manipulating public opinion. We know from the code that user comments aren't encrypted at all, or their voting tallies. It would require a very small tweak to manipulate things from the server side. Given that, user…

Not to mention, its pretty widely known that /r/the_donald uses bots to up the votes and push their stuff higher on /r/all. Not that Im thrilled that Spez did what he did, but /r/the_donald has been pushing the line ever since it was created.

This exactly. I am more suprised and disappointed that subreddit survived long enough to let this "scandal" happen, than about the thing itself.

A subreddit with a fraction of the userbase and activity than other subs would constantly have multiple posts on the frontpage at any given time, and noone cared to look into it or do something against it. I wouldn't be surprised if that sub beat out some default subs during that time, which is just straight up ridiculous.

This shouldn't have happened, true, but the reason for that is not as much /u/spez screwing up than it is all of reddit screwing up.