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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by Steeeve »

> That is so beyond unethical and immature, I no longer want anything to do with that site. I will be deleting my account on Reddit after backing up my content, and I will no longer be a moderator of /r/golang.

Responding to immaturity with immaturity is a bad idea altogether.

I have never understood Google's choice of "use google groups" for projects, then farming out community relations to third parties like StackOverflow, Reddit, etc. They have enough resources to manage their own support, news dissemination, and discussion mechanisms.

There are a number of reasons to not have an official presence on Reddit, but "I'm taking my ball and going home" isn't one of them.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by mrweasel »

vostok wrote: post #13
mrweasel wrote: post #3

I get their point, but I also think that a large part of the reason that people are using the Golang subreddit is Google Groups. If the Go team could just abandon Google Groups as the main forum for discussing Go, then just maybe there wouldn't be a need for the subreddit. I know that some people like Google Groups, but there's at least an equally large group that absolutely hate it. Personally I find it to be such a…

I'm not too up to date on this. What is your preferred alternative to Google Groups? Mailman?

NNTP, phpbb, anything else. Google Groups literally have the worst interface of any product that I've used in the last 6 - 8 years.

But yes, an old fashion mailing list, archived on marc.info, would be a huge step up.

I can only assume that Google Groups is some sort of half baked example to show that GWT works.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by rocketpastsix »

heroprotagonist wrote: post #18

So.. here's the thing. I think that spez did everyone a favor by editing those user comments. We know that politicians and corporations game the system already with fake accounts, presumably as a tool for manipulating public opinion. We know from the code that user comments aren't encrypted at all, or their voting tallies. It would require a very small tweak to manipulate things from the server side. Given that, user…

Not to mention, its pretty widely known that /r/the_donald uses bots to up the votes and push their stuff higher on /r/all. Not that Im thrilled that Spez did what he did, but /r/the_donald has been pushing the line ever since it was created.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by detaro »

Wow, the amount of people just going "yeah, delete it and make sure it doesn't come back" is staggering. Really bad image how some people seem to think the community and it's resources should be "officially owned".

Want to make a personal statement? Leave the platform, demand the subreddit being marked as unofficial (AFAIK it did start out as a random sub by a random person and only later added people from the Go team as moderators). Don't decide for your users that yes, you don't want to meet there anymore, so we torched it for you.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by mibbiting »

AlexeyBrin wrote: post #16

Closing a thriving community just because an admin feels some moral imperative to do it is just short sided. If you don't like Reddit, write a blog post, blow some steam, delete your Reddit account, be as critical as you wish, but don't kill a community just because you can.

I feel like some people don't understand the gravity of what he did. He edited someone elses comments. What is the point in being part of a community where the website owners may be editing random comments? It undermines the whole thing.

Let me ask a question. If it turned out that Google had started selectively "editing" peoples email coming from Gmail, would you still be fine using Gmail?

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by water42 »

rocketpastsix wrote: post #23
heroprotagonist wrote: post #18

So.. here's the thing. I think that spez did everyone a favor by editing those user comments. We know that politicians and corporations game the system already with fake accounts, presumably as a tool for manipulating public opinion. We know from the code that user comments aren't encrypted at all, or their voting tallies. It would require a very small tweak to manipulate things from the server side. Given that, user…

Not to mention, its pretty widely known that /r/the_donald uses bots to up the votes and push their stuff higher on /r/all. Not that Im thrilled that Spez did what he did, but /r/the_donald has been pushing the line ever since it was created.

Do you have any proof of this? I haven't heard this before and they certainly have an active enough community to push things to the r/all quickly.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by vostok »

mrweasel wrote: post #22
vostok wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not too up to date on this. What is your preferred alternative to Google Groups? Mailman?

NNTP, phpbb, anything else. Google Groups literally have the worst interface of any product that I've used in the last 6 - 8 years. But yes, an old fashion mailing list, archived on marc.info, would be a huge step up. I can only assume that Google Groups is some sort of half baked example to show that GWT works.

Thanks! I didn't think we've made much progress, but it was worth a shot.

I'm on a few Google Groups, Mailman, Majordomo, etc. lists and I can honestly say that it doesn't make a huge difference to me. I will agree that the Google Groups archives are somewhat unpleasant.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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Post by potatosoup »

rocketpastsix wrote: post #23
heroprotagonist wrote: post #18

So.. here's the thing. I think that spez did everyone a favor by editing those user comments. We know that politicians and corporations game the system already with fake accounts, presumably as a tool for manipulating public opinion. We know from the code that user comments aren't encrypted at all, or their voting tallies. It would require a very small tweak to manipulate things from the server side. Given that, user…

Not to mention, its pretty widely known that /r/the_donald uses bots to up the votes and push their stuff higher on /r/all. Not that Im thrilled that Spez did what he did, but /r/the_donald has been pushing the line ever since it was created.

As one of many T_D users, I sure love to be called a Russian bot. So, citation needed.

Edit: to people downvoting, please elaborate.

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