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China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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I am from Pakistan and I really wish it was the US. I wish they had spent 1/10th of the money on development they spent on the war. This could have been something that brought stability and more US influence in the region. I think China will reap all the benefits now.

Where in the world has the US brought stability with its international politics?

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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I am from Pakistan and I really wish it was the US. I wish they had spent 1/10th of the money on development they spent on the war. This could have been something that brought stability and more US influence in the region. I think China will reap all the benefits now.

Where in the world has the US brought stability with its international politics?

Europe for a couple of decades following WW2.

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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With most of industrial China on the eastern side, I wonder how beneficial will this trade route be, to China.

This creates more roads/rail from the ports (Gwadar/Karachi etc) to the inland (Islamabad etc), so it will help Chinese trade goods, which almost exclusively arrive by ship to the ports.

(Of course, facilitating trade is of secondary importance to the geopolitical aim of gaining influence in Pakistan by making it more dependent on Chinese money and less dependent on western capital markets or western multilateral organisations.)

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where in the world has the US brought stability with its international politics?

Europe for a couple of decades following WW2.

Maybe even four or five. It's little because of the only USA now.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where in the world has the US brought stability with its international politics?

Europe for a couple of decades following WW2.

Why just couple of decades? Its still quite peaceful here.

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Another traditional US ally re-aligning itself between the two major spheres of influence. The balance will tip further in China's favor as the USA recedes further from global development. What's interesting is if you look at the parallel international institutions that China are developing that will compete with the IMF et al, many of the partners are traditional and very close allies of the United States. For ex. w…

While your analysis is true, it only describes the effects which have lead to today's situation.

Here are a few causes:

* In late 80's US empire has definitely thrown international law above the board by organizing color revolutions, destabilizing other countries and waging wars

* US empire and its vassals (other NATO members) leave a trail of blood where ever they show up

* Officially, US military - despite its huge budget, infrastructure and human power - still has not (15 years later!) defeated "the terrorists"

* US empire has definitely destroyed its financial reputation in 1971 by unilaterally canceling the "gold standard" and, since then, the masks are off and US dollar is being printed/created in the computer at the speed of light, without anything but military might to back it

* World Bank and IMF - two institutions majorly influenced by the US - wreak havoc in South America, Africa, South Asia and South Europe

* Russia is getting back on feet after 2000 and US empire has no means to counter it

* US empire and its media have done something remarkable in the 26 years since the fall of the Berlin wall: In 1990 USA was a country with a great image, in 2016 USA is arguably the most hated country in the world

The world outside of the empire sees all this. And runs away from the bully who has ("long before Trump") made himself weaker by seeking refuge in those who show at least some respect.

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Another traditional US ally re-aligning itself between the two major spheres of influence. The balance will tip further in China's favor as the USA recedes further from global development. What's interesting is if you look at the parallel international institutions that China are developing that will compete with the IMF et al, many of the partners are traditional and very close allies of the United States. For ex. w…

Traditional? Not really. The UK or France could be considered traditional allies. Pakistan was more of a conveniently-located 'strategic partner'. I say this as someone of Pakistani origin.

The people of Pakistan are hugely skeptical and wary of this 'alliance' and have long felt they have been used, there is deep resentment, so it's not even slightly surprising they are looking to align themselves with those whose reputation is less sullied (in their view) than the US's.

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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With most of industrial China on the eastern side, I wonder how beneficial will this trade route be, to China.

This creates more roads/rail from the ports (Gwadar/Karachi etc) to the inland (Islamabad etc), so it will help Chinese trade goods, which almost exclusively arrive by ship to the ports. (Of course, facilitating trade is of secondary importance to the geopolitical aim of gaining influence in Pakistan by making it more dependent on Chinese money and less dependent on western capital markets or western multilateral org…

Anything that makes Pakistan more prosperous and economically stable is a good thing for the west, the rest of the world and Pakistan.

Anything that gets China more positively engaged with the rest of the world is good, because it makes China more interested in international stability, property rights and the rule of law. Eventually I think China will come to realize that, as a major investor and driver of economic development around the world, their interests align very closely with those of the west.

Re: China About to Start $35B of Silk Road Plan in Pakistan

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Another traditional US ally re-aligning itself between the two major spheres of influence. The balance will tip further in China's favor as the USA recedes further from global development. What's interesting is if you look at the parallel international institutions that China are developing that will compete with the IMF et al, many of the partners are traditional and very close allies of the United States. For ex. w…

Traditional? Not really. The UK or France could be considered traditional allies. Pakistan was more of a conveniently-located 'strategic partner'. I say this as someone of Pakistani origin. The people of Pakistan are hugely skeptical and wary of this 'alliance' and have long felt they have been used, there is deep resentment, so it's not even slightly surprising they are looking to align themselves with those whose r…

True. But the relationship has spanned many decades into the cold war, with Pakistan leaning towards the US and India leaning towards Russia. There was little trust or love or shared values involved, but it was still one borne of necessity, that had endured a lot of bumps (to say the least) along the way.
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