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Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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Post by noobermin »

grzm wrote: post #21
noobermin wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this entire thread is diverging from the article, but the article does quote Trump: Trump has vowed to roll back Obama regulations that he says are hurting the economy. He expressed support for changing the overtime rule during the presidential campaign. “Rolling back the overtime regulation is just one example of the many regulations that need to be addressed to do that,” Trump told Circa in August. “We woul…

Quoting blocks of text this way makes it really hard to read due to side-scrolling, particularly on mobile.

Sorry to discriminate, but I read on a desktop mostly and the block text makes it clear it is a quote. Sorry about that, but of course, the article has the full text; although I'm not sure how the hill respects mobile or not.

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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Post by grzm »

noobermin wrote: post #31
grzm wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoting blocks of text this way makes it really hard to read due to side-scrolling, particularly on mobile.

Sorry to discriminate, but I read on a desktop mostly and the block text makes it clear it is a quote. Sorry about that, but of course, the article has the full text; although I'm not sure how the hill respects mobile or not.

Alternatives common on HN are to use > or italics.

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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Post by thinkmassive »

jjoonathan wrote: post #10
refurb wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know. I kind of like being exempt. If I get my work done early and I decide the take the afternoon off, my paycheck is the same. That said I'm lucky and my company freely comps additional paid time off when I start working more than 40 hours per week.

People talk about "getting their work done" as if an equal amount of work were doled out every day to each worker and getting it done were a "you eat what you kill" result of being highly productive. Is this work-assignment principle common? I could see why a manager might distribute work this way, but I've never seen it actually happen -- it has always been "oh great, you finished early today, you'll have twice as m…

In my experience the explanations you provide apply more to general flexibility of working hours. Reasonable employers shouldn't have an issue with you stepping away from work at anytime as long as your performance is at least adequate. Playing politics might offer a similar result, but I think it'd be easier to lose this privilege if you don't actually have the skills to back it up and are found out.

Leaving early for the day is more likely to happen if you complete a big deliverable early than anticipated. Like you reserve a full day for launching a major version, it goes smoothly, so your afternoon is unexpectedly free. The gamble is sometimes you might end up occupied until late into the night, so it tends to balance out.

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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Post by icelancer »

inthewoods wrote: post #23

Interesting unintended consequences with this - my sister-in-law had her job hours radically shifted to deal with this rule - and not in a good way that she appreciated.

Right. Most businesses (non-restaurant) are going to easily be able to get around this rule and make things worse for employees. It will exacerbate the "contract employee" revolution in office settings.

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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Post by refurb »

jjoonathan wrote: post #10
refurb wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know. I kind of like being exempt. If I get my work done early and I decide the take the afternoon off, my paycheck is the same. That said I'm lucky and my company freely comps additional paid time off when I start working more than 40 hours per week.

People talk about "getting their work done" as if an equal amount of work were doled out every day to each worker and getting it done were a "you eat what you kill" result of being highly productive. Is this work-assignment principle common? I could see why a manager might distribute work this way, but I've never seen it actually happen -- it has always been "oh great, you finished early today, you'll have twice as m…

Poor phrasing on my part. It's more about long term performance. My manager knows I'll get my work done so she doesn't really care how it gets done.

You are correct that there is always more work to do, but if I find myself reasonably caught up by noon and everything else can wait until tomorrow, I often just call it a day. My manager doesn't care.

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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Post by runamok »

grzm wrote: post #21
noobermin wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this entire thread is diverging from the article, but the article does quote Trump: Trump has vowed to roll back Obama regulations that he says are hurting the economy. He expressed support for changing the overtime rule during the presidential campaign. “Rolling back the overtime regulation is just one example of the many regulations that need to be addressed to do that,” Trump told Circa in August. “We woul…

Quoting blocks of text this way makes it really hard to read due to side-scrolling, particularly on mobile.

Clearly quoting the article adds value to the conversation since several of the posters above didn't even see the relevance of referring to trump.

I'd argue the display issue is more the fault of HN than the poster.

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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Post by grzm »

runamok wrote: post #37
grzm wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoting blocks of text this way makes it really hard to read due to side-scrolling, particularly on mobile.

Clearly quoting the article adds value to the conversation since several of the posters above didn't even see the relevance of referring to trump. I'd argue the display issue is more the fault of HN than the poster.

Gotta work with what you have. If the intent is to communicate effectively on HN now, there are better ways to do it.

I'm not saying quoting is bad. There are better ways to do it on HN, such as using prefix > or italics.

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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Post by hyperliner »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #22
onchidiacea wrote: post #2

I don't know how businesses get away without paying overtime. My life is finite. My work hours are finite. If you want more hours out of me, you pay for them.

I can understand it for higher earners. You are well compensated, typically better conditions and have employment options should the enviroment become toxic. For lower pays absolutely. If an employers agrees to X contracted hours/rate and then demands X+ hours because they know you cant say no, this is essentially theft. And to not pass this as rule essentially mandates it as OK. I hope this gets sorted. I suspect th…

It is not the role of the judiciary to define what is just of unjust: they just need to make a ruling based on the law. There is really no difference if someone is paid $20k or $90k: you always must discount that rate if you are not an hourly employee. It is not theft: it is at-will employment and nobody is being forced to take it.

Also, the ruling is only being postponed:

--- “Due to the approaching effective date of the Final Rule, the Court’s ability to render a meaningful decision on the merits is in jeopardy,” he wrote. “A preliminary injunction preserves the status quo while the Court determines the department’s authority to make the Final Rule as well as the Final Rule’s validity. ---

If the law was clear, then there would be no difference between whether the decision is done during the current or future administration. It seems that there is enough ambiguity that the course of action varies depending on who is in power, which appears to indicate to me that the overtime rule by Obama's administrations was on weak grounds regardless.

Re: Judge blocks Obama overtime rule, putting it in jeopardy

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Post by maverick_iceman »

Pxtl wrote: post #3

People keep talking about how Trump's election was about winning the white working class. We'll see how interested he is in their right to fair wages.

Why bring Trump at all in the discussion when a federal judge has blocked Obama's initiative?
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