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Re: MacOS 10.12 Open Source Components

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Post by School-Cotton »

huilee wrote: post #36
Elv13 wrote: post #6

Long time ago, they used to also publish a bootable ISO of Darwin + all of those OSS packages. They did publish an updated Darwin core / kernel a few releases back, but it seems to be closed again. Too bad, I think someone with some determination could have gotten am hypervisor based container tech running on this. Of course the test would not run, but APIs shims could have made whole software compile (but not link).…

If Apple open sourced all of macOS maybe that would put more pressure on Microsoft to intentionally[1] open source Windows. [1]: It has been open sourced in the past: https://torrentfreak.com/microsoft-takes-pirated-windows-nt-... http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1030335/leaked-wind...

People who are downvoting you into the pavement are misguided, I think. Your point is still interesting even if the terminology you used is wrong.

Re: MacOS 10.12 Open Source Components

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Post by eddieh »

__david__ wrote: post #31
rdtsc wrote: post #9

Heh emacs-22.1. Wonder where that's used. Scripting in elisp?

It's included so the there's a nice editor in Terminal by default (yes, I'm just kidding, I know vim is there). It's so old because it's the last version of Emacs released under version 2 of the gpl (and Apple hates version 3). It's the same reason the default Bash is so old.

Bash defaults to Emacs keybindings which also work throughout macOS since it began in the NeXT days. It is included because on macOS it is the universal text editor.

Re: MacOS 10.12 Open Source Components

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Post by groovy2shoes »

ta12345 wrote: post #26
throwaway4891a wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either they don't want to release it or they can't (a third-party contract/NDA), at least right now. Open sourcing is often seen by big-businesses as potentially "helping" competitors undermine, replicate, sue, make interoperable wares which may threaten the "Golden Goose." It sucks, but that's the situation... lawyers can't force them to release other code unless they're caught TiVoizing some GPL 3 code or something…

I can't believe this is a serious comment. The majority of open source is crap, like 80% of it. People build what they need and forget about it. Often the code has no cohesion to the rest of the project and often it is of poor quality. Not to mention the ego's and lack of sociability of most projects. Apple didn't become the most valuable company by following that principle. Instead it took the approach of an egotist…

Well, then open source is well above average, seeing as 90% of everything is crap.[0]

[0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law

Re: MacOS 10.12 Open Source Components

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Post by mirekrusin »

threeseed wrote: post #29
peterkelly wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because not all open source software has to be distributed via GitHub. Think about what happened to SourceForge, and be glad that the Internet hasn't become totally centralised around a few major websites yet.

Seriously the over reliance on Github is a systemic risk to the industry.

...just like over reliance on google.com to search internet?

some people say "yes", some people say "nonsense".

Re: MacOS 10.12 Open Source Components

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Post by vacri »

tedmiston wrote: post #53
grzm wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OS X has always suffered from all-to-common misreading, however. They traded that for a likely-to-be all-too-common miscapitalization/misspacing.

I always thought it was pretty clear to say "os ecks" myself, but I've heard internally / correctly people say "oh es ten". It's hard to break the habit after 5+ years though.

It was never really meant to be "OS 10", despite what the 'correct way' to say it was. Pure marketing.

If it was really meant to be "OS 10", then they wouldn't have versions like "OS X 10.6", they'd just have "OS X.6" or "OS X.VI". How many people do you hear saying "OS ten ten point six"?

Re: MacOS 10.12 Open Source Components

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Post by vacri »

ta12345 wrote: post #26
throwaway4891a wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Either they don't want to release it or they can't (a third-party contract/NDA), at least right now. Open sourcing is often seen by big-businesses as potentially "helping" competitors undermine, replicate, sue, make interoperable wares which may threaten the "Golden Goose." It sucks, but that's the situation... lawyers can't force them to release other code unless they're caught TiVoizing some GPL 3 code or something…

I can't believe this is a serious comment. The majority of open source is crap, like 80% of it. People build what they need and forget about it. Often the code has no cohesion to the rest of the project and often it is of poor quality. Not to mention the ego's and lack of sociability of most projects. Apple didn't become the most valuable company by following that principle. Instead it took the approach of an egotist…

> Don't even say the Linux kernel, that has like what 2% market share?

How are you a kernel developer and then go on to only count desktop and laptop installs? Linux installs dwarf the other major kernels. Not big on desktop, but big on servers, embedded, and mobile.

Re: MacOS 10.12 Open Source Components

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Post by edko »

jaxn wrote: post #60
wtetzner wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you like the Surface Book? I'm very tempted to buy one.

I am a little nervous about this switch, but it is definitely a high quality machine with solid attention to detail. Also, Windows 10 seems pretty solid. I have a long way to go, but I am hoping that I can use the Thanksgiving break to get over the hump and be relatively productive when I get back to the office on Monday. I am pretty committed to making the switch though. I am taking notes in case the transition is w…

I am reluctantly thinking of jumping ship too. What is keeping me back is that, I remember, a little while after Windows 10 was released, there was a scandal because it sent users' data back to Microsoft, disregarding privacy settings. I haven't followed the story too much since, and could not find anything saying the issue was "fixed". Does anybody know how the story ended?

Re: MacOS 10.12 Open Source Components

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Post by duskwuff »

milcron wrote: post #3
hanniabu wrote: post #2

Any thoughts on why they wouldn't have released this under a Github repo?

Inertia, probably. You can find older releases at that URL too: https://opensource.apple.com/release/os-x-1010.html

All the way back to 10.0, which was released in 2001 -- long before Git was even a thing, let alone Github.

Re: MacOS 10.12 Open Source Components

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Post by hellofunk »

jaxn wrote: post #60
wtetzner wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you like the Surface Book? I'm very tempted to buy one.

I am a little nervous about this switch, but it is definitely a high quality machine with solid attention to detail. Also, Windows 10 seems pretty solid. I have a long way to go, but I am hoping that I can use the Thanksgiving break to get over the hump and be relatively productive when I get back to the office on Monday. I am pretty committed to making the switch though. I am taking notes in case the transition is w…

> I am taking notes in case the transition is worth sharing later.

I was going to bookmark your blog in case you shared those notes, but it looks like jaxn.org is no longer.

Re: MacOS 10.12 Open Source Components

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Post by debaserab2 »

mirekrusin wrote: post #64
threeseed wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously the over reliance on Github is a systemic risk to the industry.

...just like over reliance on google.com to search internet? some people say "yes", some people say "nonsense".

Who relies on google exactly, other than advertisers?

It works really well, but, if it fails... there's plenty waiting right there to take it's place.

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