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We Tracked Down a Fake-News Creator in the Suburbs

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Re: We Tracked Down a Fake-News Creator in the Suburbs

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Post by Gargoyle »

aikah wrote: post #27
epicureanideal wrote: post #3

This was the most interesting part for me... -------- He says he got into fake news around 2013 to highlight the extremism of the white nationalist alt-right. "The whole idea from the start was to build a site that could kind of infiltrate the echo chambers of the alt-right, publish blatantly or fictional stories and then be able to publicly denounce those stories and point out the fact that they were fiction," Coler…

> publish blatantly or fictional stories and then be able to publicly denounce those stories and point out the fact that they were fiction Denounce those stories by making $30k a month as a spammer ? that's how this guy "denounces the alt-right" ? and NPR buys that argument just like that ?

In all these interviews with fake news makers, I've been amused that people who are obvious experts at telling people what they want to hear are still telling people what they want to hear. And it sails right by the real journalists un-noted.

Re: We Tracked Down a Fake-News Creator in the Suburbs

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Post by ec109685 »

aikah wrote: post #27
epicureanideal wrote: post #3

This was the most interesting part for me... -------- He says he got into fake news around 2013 to highlight the extremism of the white nationalist alt-right. "The whole idea from the start was to build a site that could kind of infiltrate the echo chambers of the alt-right, publish blatantly or fictional stories and then be able to publicly denounce those stories and point out the fact that they were fiction," Coler…

> publish blatantly or fictional stories and then be able to publicly denounce those stories and point out the fact that they were fiction Denounce those stories by making $30k a month as a spammer ? that's how this guy "denounces the alt-right" ? and NPR buys that argument just like that ?

I don't think the NPR passed judgement as to whether it should be bought or not. They are letting us decide.

My value judgement is that this is a terrible way to make money and it is unfortunate blatant lies are not somehow slander, despite it being about a prominent individual. The rolling stone was held liable for their false article about sexual assault. I wish this guy could be as well.

He duped millions of people.

Re: We Tracked Down a Fake-News Creator in the Suburbs

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Post by ec109685 »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #25
epicureanideal wrote: post #3

This was the most interesting part for me... -------- He says he got into fake news around 2013 to highlight the extremism of the white nationalist alt-right. "The whole idea from the start was to build a site that could kind of infiltrate the echo chambers of the alt-right, publish blatantly or fictional stories and then be able to publicly denounce those stories and point out the fact that they were fiction," Coler…

> So in this case, the fake news was created by the left to discredit the alt-right, rather than by the alt-right to promote their views. And so after the gullible rubes swallowed his bit of fake news hook line and sinker, he ran to tell the world.

More like after he got caught, he felt the need to spin.

Re: We Tracked Down a Fake-News Creator in the Suburbs

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Post by aikah »

ec109685 wrote: post #32
aikah wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> publish blatantly or fictional stories and then be able to publicly denounce those stories and point out the fact that they were fiction Denounce those stories by making $30k a month as a spammer ? that's how this guy "denounces the alt-right" ? and NPR buys that argument just like that ?

I don't think the NPR passed judgement as to whether it should be bought or not. They are letting us decide. My value judgement is that this is a terrible way to make money and it is unfortunate blatant lies are not somehow slander, despite it being about a prominent individual. The rolling stone was held liable for their false article about sexual assault. I wish this guy could be as well. He duped millions of peopl…

> I don't think the NPR passed judgement as to whether it should be bought or not. They are letting us decide.

How about they actually investigate and find out whether he is telling the truth or lying ? This isn't passing judgement , this is actual reporting. So he was lying back then but now he is telling the truth and "journalists" should not pass judgement ?

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Post by ec109685 »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #16

> "FBI Agent Suspected In Hillary Email Leaks Found Dead In Apparent Murder-Suicide." The story is completely false Yes this story false. What's not false is that a DNC staffer was found murdered in DC and nothing was taken from his pockets right after the DNC email leaks. Assange suggested he was the source and offered up a $25k reward[0]. 1. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/10/assange-implies-m...

Assange could have made things clear by confirming he was the source.

Otherwise, it is ineuendo: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Com...

Re: We Tracked Down a Fake-News Creator in the Suburbs

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Post by omginternets »

aikah wrote: post #36
ec109685 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the NPR passed judgement as to whether it should be bought or not. They are letting us decide. My value judgement is that this is a terrible way to make money and it is unfortunate blatant lies are not somehow slander, despite it being about a prominent individual. The rolling stone was held liable for their false article about sexual assault. I wish this guy could be as well. He duped millions of peopl…

> I don't think the NPR passed judgement as to whether it should be bought or not. They are letting us decide. How about they actually investigate and find out whether he is telling the truth or lying ? This isn't passing judgement , this is actual reporting. So he was lying back then but now he is telling the truth and "journalists" should not pass judgement ?

They did investigate: they're telling us that this guy makes significant money from his activities. Draw your own conclusions.

They don't have to engage in finger-wagging in order to be reporters.

Re: We Tracked Down a Fake-News Creator in the Suburbs

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Post by veidr »

WhitneyLand wrote: post #20

Jestin Coler is a cancer and his actions should be made illegal. It seems possible such a law could be narrowly applied such that it would prove constitutional. Judicial review could weigh the value to society of false speech, or lying, against the erosion of integrity in the free press. One example of a false speech review was the stolen valor act. Lot of doors left open here; http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/…

As long as we're making up fantasy laws to solve this problem, why don't we just outlaw being lazy, stupid, and gullible?

Re: We Tracked Down a Fake-News Creator in the Suburbs

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Post by aikah »

omginternets wrote: post #38
aikah wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think the NPR passed judgement as to whether it should be bought or not. They are letting us decide. How about they actually investigate and find out whether he is telling the truth or lying ? This isn't passing judgement , this is actual reporting. So he was lying back then but now he is telling the truth and "journalists" should not pass judgement ?

They did investigate: they're telling us that this guy makes significant money from his activities. Draw your own conclusions. They don't have to engage in finger-wagging in order to be reporters.

> They did investigate: they're telling us that this guy makes significant money from his activities. Draw your own conclusions.

They failed to debunk what he said.

> They don't have to engage in finger-wagging in order to be reporters.

Oh, now actual reporting is "finger-wagging".

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