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Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by BrendanEich »

EdSharkey wrote: post #415
gaur wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there a better descriptor for what Eich was put through? Yeah. He was given a taste of his own medicine with regard to what it feels like to be victimized.

Ah, you've taken the terrorist's side, then! Edit: I have upvoted gaur because their minority viewpoint needs to be fully heard to be understood.

What's to understand? Gaur fantasizes about victimhood (mine, and presumably his or others; see links below) and makes up facts.

On the facts, Mozilla and I both say I resigned, and Mozilla's board members said at the time that they wanted me to stay.

But in fantasizing that I was fired, gaur's moralistic and judgmental language exhibits the usual signs that Jonathan Haidt has detailed in "The Righteous Mind": a casting out of the other as beyond redemption and justly punished, without the ability to model said other or address their point of view.

(Also without ever adverting to the bad "purging" precedent he's endorsing, which global Trumpism can and will exploit by reversing his right-makes-might-makes-right circular argument. The shoe may soon be on the other foot even here in the USA, at least in large regions; it definitely never left the first foot in places like Saudi Arabia.)

Dishonesty and self-pity are not worth hearing or studying -- we have enough of them already.

Gaur expresses or implies falsehoods about California law, but I've addressed those elsewhere on HN and won't repeat here. Links:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12721928

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12721891

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10654732

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9748538

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by EdSharkey »

BrendanEich wrote: post #561
EdSharkey wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, you've taken the terrorist's side, then! Edit: I have upvoted gaur because their minority viewpoint needs to be fully heard to be understood.

What's to understand? Gaur fantasizes about victimhood (mine, and presumably his or others; see links below) and makes up facts. On the facts, Mozilla and I both say I resigned, and Mozilla's board members said at the time that they wanted me to stay. But in fantasizing that I was fired, gaur's moralistic and judgmental language exhibits the usual signs that Jonathan Haidt has detailed in "The Righteous Mind": a cast…

Hi Brendan, just in case it wasn't clear to people who pity gaur, I upvoted to keep his messages alive so everyone could see how effortlessly the crybully drifts into tyranny.

Of course, you're right on, and that level of injustice he lusts for invites a cruel backlash. Your ominous parenthetical sidebar is not lost on me, and we may be heading to ugly places under Trump.

I am glad to hear you speak well of the Mozilla board. I know you all were put in an awful bind, and you did the most honorable thing you could.

Take care, I pray for you and for the country.

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by BrendanEich »

EdSharkey wrote: post #563
BrendanEich wrote: post #561

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's to understand? Gaur fantasizes about victimhood (mine, and presumably his or others; see links below) and makes up facts. On the facts, Mozilla and I both say I resigned, and Mozilla's board members said at the time that they wanted me to stay. But in fantasizing that I was fired, gaur's moralistic and judgmental language exhibits the usual signs that Jonathan Haidt has detailed in "The Righteous Mind": a cast…

Hi Brendan, just in case it wasn't clear to people who pity gaur, I upvoted to keep his messages alive so everyone could see how effortlessly the crybully drifts into tyranny. Of course, you're right on, and that level of injustice he lusts for invites a cruel backlash. Your ominous parenthetical sidebar is not lost on me, and we may be heading to ugly places under Trump. I am glad to hear you speak well of the Mozil…

Quick reply to say I cited what the board said, not to praise them (I have no comment on the board then or now) but because they independently stated that I resigned, _contra_ gaur who wrote that I was fired. Facts matter.

Thanks for your other words & thoughts.

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by EdSharkey »

BrendanEich wrote: post #564
EdSharkey wrote: post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi Brendan, just in case it wasn't clear to people who pity gaur, I upvoted to keep his messages alive so everyone could see how effortlessly the crybully drifts into tyranny. Of course, you're right on, and that level of injustice he lusts for invites a cruel backlash. Your ominous parenthetical sidebar is not lost on me, and we may be heading to ugly places under Trump. I am glad to hear you speak well of the Mozil…

Quick reply to say I cited what the board said, not to praise them (I have no comment on the board then or now) but because they independently stated that I resigned, _contra_ gaur who wrote that I was fired. Facts matter. Thanks for your other words & thoughts.

Facts do matter, and I will always be grumpy at your board for not more strenuously arguing in favor of you and against your detractors.

I hope you took good notes during those times and write your memoirs someday. What was it like to become a public figure after having such an impact on our industry? And then, I'm convinced you were just at the wrong place career-wise at the wrong time, what was it like to be a public figure caught up in a media firestorm? That's a story I'd like to read someday.

Also, what are you going to do next, if you're in a sharing mood?

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by BrendanEich »

EdSharkey wrote: post #565
BrendanEich wrote: post #564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quick reply to say I cited what the board said, not to praise them (I have no comment on the board then or now) but because they independently stated that I resigned, _contra_ gaur who wrote that I was fired. Facts matter. Thanks for your other words & thoughts.

Facts do matter, and I will always be grumpy at your board for not more strenuously arguing in favor of you and against your detractors. I hope you took good notes during those times and write your memoirs someday. What was it like to become a public figure after having such an impact on our industry? And then, I'm convinced you were just at the wrong place career-wise at the wrong time, what was it like to be a publ…

https://brave.com/ - check it out.

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by EdSharkey »

BrendanEich wrote: post #566
EdSharkey wrote: post #565

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facts do matter, and I will always be grumpy at your board for not more strenuously arguing in favor of you and against your detractors. I hope you took good notes during those times and write your memoirs someday. What was it like to become a public figure after having such an impact on our industry? And then, I'm convinced you were just at the wrong place career-wise at the wrong time, what was it like to be a publ…

https://brave.com/ - check it out.

I like it!

I've been bummed not to have Privacy Badger on my Android Firefox. I will give Brave a tumble, thanks!

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by greggman »

wuschel wrote: post #557
wuschel wrote: post #447

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To me, this loss of control looks like a very classic addiction pattern. As a suggestion, try to get in touch with a Internet/computer addiction specialist.

Not sure why the downvotes. It was an opinion, and actually not a disinformed one due to experience in my circle of friends. I did not want to sounds paternalistic in any way.

Thank you for the concern. You might be right. I guess I assume addition means I can't go without without withdrawals but I know I can go without just fine (long vacations) etc.. so at least at the moment I just look at it as being distracted easily (like a child ;P)

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by logmeout »

logmeout wrote: post #200
Alex3917 wrote: post #34

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> Your religion or political opinions should not matter at work. Keep in mind though that that's just a current fashion, not a law of the universe. You could just as easily make the case that if your religion doesn't matter at work, you should get a new religion (or a new workplace). The only reason our current beliefs are in fashion is basically that the continual development of new technology has made public morali…

In the US, discrimination is illegal: https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/statutes/

How can moderators of this site actually allow a posted fact to be downvoted?

Re: Quit Social Media, Your Career May Depend on It

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Post by generalpf »

jotux wrote: post #454
kowdermeister wrote: post #262

I've read the whole article, but this is where I should have stopped. > I’ve never had a social media account. He basically summarized that procrastination is harmful and social media is to blame. He doesn't really share anything I haven't known as a social media addict. Kinda like saying to a smoker that smoking tobacco causes cancer. I know that, what now? I tried shutting down social media sites with plugins, bloc…

I actually think that quote is interesting for a different reason. First he says: > I’ve never had a social media account. Then: >I think many more people should follow my lead and quit these services You can't quit something if you never started using it.

I think what he meant was, be like me, and to do that, quit those services.
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