Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
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Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
#2Nice article but the changed title is a bit linkbait.
Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
#3Nice article but the changed title is a bit linkbait.
> Female vervet monkeys manipulate males into fighting battles by lavishing attention on brave soldiers while giving noncombatants the cold shoulder, researchers said on Wednesday.
Title is basically the first sentence of the article.
Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
#4"The riskiest group activity of all is warfare, and few animals other than humans and monkeys engage in it."
Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
#5Willingness to fight seems to be a successful genetic trait for them. If you don't fight, your troop starves. I don't think "manipulation" has anything to do with it... if the troop doesn't pass on successful genes, the troop dies. So of course the fighters are the ones that mate!
Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
#6Three monkeys walked into a bar... I mean humans.
Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
#7Nice article but the changed title is a bit linkbait.
> Female vervet monkeys manipulate males into fighting battles by lavishing attention on brave soldiers while giving noncombatants the cold shoulder, researchers said on Wednesday. Title is basically the first sentence of the article.
Is this really manipulation or is it just sexual selection for bravery/aggression/dominance? Are the female monkeys being disingenuous with their attentions or are they sincere? When I read some of the criteria for manipulation on Wikipedia [0] it seems to me like a pretty high bar to show these sorts of behaviours in monkeys.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_manipulation
Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Female vervet monkeys manipulate males into fighting battles by lavishing attention on brave soldiers while giving noncombatants the cold shoulder, researchers said on Wednesday. Title is basically the first sentence of the article.
Is this really manipulation or is it just sexual selection for bravery/aggression/dominance? Are the female monkeys being disingenuous with their attentions or are they sincere? When I read some of the criteria for manipulation on Wikipedia [0] it seems to me like a pretty high bar to show these sorts of behaviours in monkeys. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_manipulation
That's the defintion for Psychological manipulation, not manipulation such as the physical grooming.
Manipulation is changing other's behavior, especially against their own self-interest.
Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
#9"The riskiest group activity of all is warfare, and few animals other than humans and monkeys engage in it."
"... few animals other than humans and monkeys engage in it"
Birds, ants, killer-whales are but a few I can immediately think of.
Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is this really manipulation or is it just sexual selection for bravery/aggression/dominance? Are the female monkeys being disingenuous with their attentions or are they sincere? When I read some of the criteria for manipulation on Wikipedia [0] it seems to me like a pretty high bar to show these sorts of behaviours in monkeys. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_manipulation
That's the defintion for Psychological manipulation, not manipulation such as the physical grooming. Manipulation is changing other's behavior, especially against their own self-interest.
But if the change in behaviour results in reproductive success, can it really be argued that it is against the being's self-interest?