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Is Blockchain Technology Going to Disrupt Our Political System: We Hope So

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Re: Is Blockchain Technology Going to Disrupt Our Political System: We Hope So

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Not remotely true. Mid-70s to mid-90s saw a huge increase in global poverty. Mid-50s to mid-70s did too. The last really sustained decrease in poverty before that was the 1890s and 1900s.

Do you have a source for that? Quick Google search indicates the global poverty rate has been steadily decreasing.

The rate kind of steadily decreased post WWII. But the numbers went up from 1950-1990, and then the absolute numbers of global poor dropped precipitously. This really is in many ways the best time to be alive in human history.

Re: Is Blockchain Technology Going to Disrupt Our Political System: We Hope So

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Or maybe he was reading a text message about the death of a family member? Extrapolating from almost zero data usually isn't helpful, and probably often ends up being an opportunity to reinforce our own biases.

In this case he was speaking on the phone , and that wasn't the subject matter in question. I k ow this because he was also speaking as if he were in his private office. Certainly it's possible that some of the situations I've seen are of that type of origin - but IMO if you're interacting with a live human it's not an excuse. "I'm sorry , I just got terrible news" takes about two seconds to say. I don't know, I see…

As you say, it's probably not what's at issue here. That said, I feel this deserves to be addressed:

> "I'm sorry , I just got terrible news" takes about two seconds to say.

But the wherewithal to do so in that circumstance is considerably less available!

Re: Is Blockchain Technology Going to Disrupt Our Political System: We Hope So

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When people give up national identity, they replace it with other kinds of group identities. Those replacements aren't necessarily better. Query what the dissolution of national identity does to the modern welfare state. Can we maintain that when people feel more allegiance to their social class or profession than to their countrymen? My family emigrated away from the sub-continent, which has a deep-seated culture of…

> And in places like India you see wealthy people living in enclaves treating the working class around them like a different species. I'm frightened that a decline of nationalism and populism in the US could see a move in the same direction. We're already there, we just don't yet see it for what it is. Yesterday I watched a man on the phone while paying for his goods at a convenience store. The cashier spoke to him s…

> We're already at that point where some, at least, fail to consider the working class around them at all.

I don't know that we've established that class actually paid a role. Do we expect he wasn't simply so oblivious that he'd also not have noticed a peer trying to get his attention?

Re: Is Blockchain Technology Going to Disrupt Our Political System: We Hope So

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For a period as a child, I was thrown in among the happy-clappy sort of evangelical Christian [1] whose answer to every problem was, "Jesus can help you with that!" No money? Pray to Jesus. Sick? Pray to Jesus. Husband beating you? Pray to Jesus. Not sure if Jesus is real or just Santa Claus for adults? Pray to Jesus! This was an awful experience, but I learned a valuable lesson. When a group of people have exactly o…

As a counter example to your implication that blockchain enthusiasts are fanatics, I offer my opinion that centralized tech is the right choice in many cases. For context, I'm the organizer of the Silicon Valley Ethereum meetup[1] and am hopeful that blockchains and related distributed technology will have a big impact on society. Many compare the rise of blockchain tech to the rise of the Internet; I think blockchai…

That was not my implication. The point is that evangelical fundamentalists occur in may contexts, and that whenever it does, those people should be ignored. Christianity is one of those contexts, and I was explicit that there are other, more reasonable kinds of Christian.

Re: Is Blockchain Technology Going to Disrupt Our Political System: We Hope So

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For a period as a child, I was thrown in among the happy-clappy sort of evangelical Christian [1] whose answer to every problem was, "Jesus can help you with that!" No money? Pray to Jesus. Sick? Pray to Jesus. Husband beating you? Pray to Jesus. Not sure if Jesus is real or just Santa Claus for adults? Pray to Jesus! This was an awful experience, but I learned a valuable lesson. When a group of people have exactly o…

You're assuming or at least implying that everyone in the Blockchain/Decentralization community thinks that Blockchain is the answer to everything which in my experience is not the case.

I am neither assuming nor implying that. You are inferring that. Incorrectly, as I was explicit that some Christians are reasonable.

Re: Is Blockchain Technology Going to Disrupt Our Political System: We Hope So

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For a period as a child, I was thrown in among the happy-clappy sort of evangelical Christian [1] whose answer to every problem was, "Jesus can help you with that!" No money? Pray to Jesus. Sick? Pray to Jesus. Husband beating you? Pray to Jesus. Not sure if Jesus is real or just Santa Claus for adults? Pray to Jesus! This was an awful experience, but I learned a valuable lesson. When a group of people have exactly o…

I don't see how this is remotely relevant. For starters, there is evidence that shared distributed ledgers actually exist.

Ok. I accept you don't see it. Since I posted it, I obviously do see relevancy. Is there some way I can help you?

Re: Is Blockchain Technology Going to Disrupt Our Political System: We Hope So

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As a counter example to your implication that blockchain enthusiasts are fanatics, I offer my opinion that centralized tech is the right choice in many cases. For context, I'm the organizer of the Silicon Valley Ethereum meetup[1] and am hopeful that blockchains and related distributed technology will have a big impact on society. Many compare the rise of blockchain tech to the rise of the Internet; I think blockchai…

I see this timeline comparison very often and it seems to me very hand wavy. Sure, it's a nice narrative, but I don't see any real reasons why this 'pattern' from 70s to 00s should repeat itself. We're talking 30 odd years here. That we got here because of a series of logical steps is already quite a statement without extending it to the future! (I borrow Nassim's Black Swan perspective here) In hindsight it's easy t…

Here's a guess at a timeline

* 1-4 years from now: we have a robust scalable blockchain from someone, maybe Ethereum. This is essential for anything big to follow.

* 2-5 years from now: we get a robust identity and reputation system. Or likely multiple reputation and identity systems

* 3-6 years from now: blockchain tech moves beyond startup and incubator stage with a few widely used apps. Maybe intl money transfer, a decentralized social network, or decentralized AirBnB.

* 10-25 years from now: the things that are referred to in the OP article above by Joseph Lubin occur.

You asked about 'immediate wins'; for Ethereum it is mind-share among developers. At present Ethereum is the place to learn smart contracts and to experiment with code.

Re: Is Blockchain Technology Going to Disrupt Our Political System: We Hope So

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For a period as a child, I was thrown in among the happy-clappy sort of evangelical Christian [1] whose answer to every problem was, "Jesus can help you with that!" No money? Pray to Jesus. Sick? Pray to Jesus. Husband beating you? Pray to Jesus. Not sure if Jesus is real or just Santa Claus for adults? Pray to Jesus! This was an awful experience, but I learned a valuable lesson. When a group of people have exactly o…

> This was an awful experience, but I learned a valuable lesson. When a group of people have exactly one answer to a problem, it's not even worth engaging with them. Even if they have learned to sound reasonable, their conclusion is predetermined. Evangelical fundamentalists of any sort are a waste of time. I think you've hit the nail on the head with this one. Cryptocoin communities have reached a religious cult sta…

>Ethereum is a good example of this. It's leaders are seen as infallible and omnipresent.

I'm the organizer of the Silicon Valley Ethereum meetup; I.e. I'm very involved in one of the communities that you refer to. We see Ethereum as a very messy, crazy project with fallible leaders. I don't think that the DAO was handled especially gracefully, either in the lead-up to the hack or afterwards with the fork. We've had meetups [1][2] where speakers were very critical of the leadership.

In other words, for the case of our community, we see the developers of the clients and other employees of the foundation (i.e. the leadership) as fallible.

[1] https://www.meetup.com/EthereumSiliconValley/events/23305312...

[2] https://www.meetup.com/EthereumSiliconValley/events/23201229...

Re: Is Blockchain Technology Going to Disrupt Our Political System: We Hope So

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For a period as a child, I was thrown in among the happy-clappy sort of evangelical Christian [1] whose answer to every problem was, "Jesus can help you with that!" No money? Pray to Jesus. Sick? Pray to Jesus. Husband beating you? Pray to Jesus. Not sure if Jesus is real or just Santa Claus for adults? Pray to Jesus! This was an awful experience, but I learned a valuable lesson. When a group of people have exactly o…

As a counter example to your implication that blockchain enthusiasts are fanatics, I offer my opinion that centralized tech is the right choice in many cases. For context, I'm the organizer of the Silicon Valley Ethereum meetup[1] and am hopeful that blockchains and related distributed technology will have a big impact on society. Many compare the rise of blockchain tech to the rise of the Internet; I think blockchai…

Turning to your comparison to the rise of the Internet, I think you're misunderstanding why the internet took so long to go mainstream. In the 70s and 80s, almost nobody had the hardware, and when they did, leased lines were outrageously expensive. But anybody who did get connected found immediate utility via email, file transfer, chat, message boards, and games. The software was immediately useful to average people. And that immediate utility was what drove Internet adoption.

I'm glad that you enjoy maximalists, and whatever they do it's certainly no skin off my nose. But you might consider that hype can harm technology adoption. Reasonable people argue that Google Glass's giant smoking crater set AR back. And the hype and crash of the Segway did no favors for the more immediate uses of that technology, like Kamen's wheelchairs.

I'd also point out that however much Jobs sung the praises of the crazy ones in ads, he rarely let hype run ahead of consumer utility for his products. Crazy things stayed in the lab, and were polished until they actually worked for real people. As Jobs said, real artists ship. Personally, I'd love to see more of that ethos from the blockchain world.

Re: Is Blockchain Technology Going to Disrupt Our Political System: We Hope So

#140

I feel like the extreme decentralization people just ignore human nature which history has revealed time and time again. The wild west no existing power structure idea is great until some entity inevitably comes along and controls it and its not so decentralized anymore. Decentralization exists when a small enough community can be self-policing and actors have noble goals. That all changes when you get a single bad a…

> I feel like the extreme decentralization people just ignore

I think people need to stop speaking for other people's feelings while using a bunch of biased arguments to pass off their beliefs as something valid. Nothing you said here more than just saying "trust can't be decentralized". Wealth is stored trust. Critical thinking is stored trust. Democracy is (supposed to be) stored trust. The blockchain provides decently reliable trust in the form of decentralized consensus. The less trustworthy fiat it's tied to has ZERO to do with this conversation. Google "Rai Stones" for proof social consensus works.

If you think a bad actor can take over a well thought out, public, technically backed consensus mechanism, then you don't understand how consensus mechanisms like the blockchain work. It's fair enough to say you don't trust it if you don't understand it, but if you (and a bunch of other people like you) don't actually go through those motions, what you (and they) do is end up making a bunch of biased (and conflicted) arguments that people then respond to in a negative way.

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