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Re: How Eve unifies your entire programming stack

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Post by tedajax »

Yeah until I really see some practical applications written in Eve I don't think I'm ever going to really get it. It's nothing against Eve, it might be great, but nothing I've seen about it so far as really captured my imagination and I'm wondering if I'm just missing something.

Re: How Eve unifies your entire programming stack

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Post by ibdknox »

tedajax wrote: post #2

Yeah until I really see some practical applications written in Eve I don't think I'm ever going to really get it. It's nothing against Eve, it might be great, but nothing I've seen about it so far as really captured my imagination and I'm wondering if I'm just missing something.

[Eve member]

Out of curiosity, what would you classify as a practical application? We're looking for some interesting examples to build to help show Eve to folks.

EDIT:

For instance, one of the examples we're throwing together now is an app that a food truck owner could use to put up their menu, manage a queue of orders (in person and online), alert people when their order is ready, accept payments, and post to social media. We picked this because it's an app trucks could actually use and it has lots of "real" functionality in it - from stripe integration to social media posting. Also, who doesn't love food trucks? :)

Re: How Eve unifies your entire programming stack

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Post by Liron »

tedajax wrote: post #2

Yeah until I really see some practical applications written in Eve I don't think I'm ever going to really get it. It's nothing against Eve, it might be great, but nothing I've seen about it so far as really captured my imagination and I'm wondering if I'm just missing something.

Author here. I certainly understand that seeing progressively more sophisticated practical applications will help people "get" Eve. I look forward to that myself.

In the meantime, I hope I can show a "plausibility argument" for Eve's potential by pointing to areas where the status quo of mainstream programming is visibly less than ideal. Uniformity of data formats and operations across the programming stack is one such area.

Re: How Eve unifies your entire programming stack

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Post by skybrian »

The part I'm most skeptical of is Eve's universal use of set-based semantics, whether it's needed or not. It seems like making sets and single values look different in the code would be more understandable than making everything look the same. Treating them as different types might be a good way to catch errors, too.

But SQL is very successful so maybe they'll do okay anyway.

Re: How Eve unifies your entire programming stack

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Post by ilostmykeys »

ibdknox wrote: post #3
tedajax wrote: post #2

Yeah until I really see some practical applications written in Eve I don't think I'm ever going to really get it. It's nothing against Eve, it might be great, but nothing I've seen about it so far as really captured my imagination and I'm wondering if I'm just missing something.

[Eve member] Out of curiosity, what would you classify as a practical application? We're looking for some interesting examples to build to help show Eve to folks. EDIT: For instance, one of the examples we're throwing together now is an app that a food truck owner could use to put up their menu, manage a queue of orders (in person and online), alert people when their order is ready, accept payments, and post to socia…

Why don't you just make that app for iOS/Android and let food truck owners download it? I know that is a useless thing to suggest given your intent but I think it's equally useless for food truck owners to want to build their own app. There must be a better range of use cases.

Re: How Eve unifies your entire programming stack

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Post by Liron »

skybrian wrote: post #5

The part I'm most skeptical of is Eve's universal use of set-based semantics, whether it's needed or not. It seems like making sets and single values look different in the code would be more understandable than making everything look the same. Treating them as different types might be a good way to catch errors, too. But SQL is very successful so maybe they'll do okay anyway.

You can kinda roll your own "single value type":

  search
    a = [#singleton]  
    b = [#singleton]  
    a != b

  commit @error
    [#error #description: "Multiple values for singleton!"]
I'm sure that's not the actual pattern you'll be using. My point is only that Eve provides a solid low-level foundation to implement higher-level patterns like a single-value type.

Re: How Eve unifies your entire programming stack

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Post by cmontella »

dkarapetyan wrote: post #8

How does one package and deploy an Eve application to some cloud infrastructure for example?

[Eve member]

That's in the PR pipeline right now, you can track it here: https://github.com/witheve/Eve/pull/571

Although I should mention, Eve is super early Alpha right now, so don't deploy anything you will be depending on!

Re: How Eve unifies your entire programming stack

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Post by dicedog »

I'm excited for Eve and next-gen programming languages but as details emerge, it seems like it could easily have been a few libraries and an architecture pattern in most other functional programming languages. When I first learn about things like the continuation monad or CQRS, I have similar reinvent-the-world fantasies but it's often sufficient to expand my toolkit and change my style (in full disclojure ;-), my default language is clojure/script)
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