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What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by golergka »

gxespino wrote: post #271
evanelias wrote: post #240

> He told us to send emails directly to real people with each application. It could be anybody. As long as someone read it. > For most small companies or C-level executives, the email format is usually firstName@dreamCompany.com. For larger companies, it may be firstName.lastName@dreamCompany.com. This advice is horribly annoying, and I really wish people would stop recommending this awful email guesswork garbage. I'…

Horribly annoying to whom exactly? You? A person with a tech job who couldn't figure out how to create an email filter for the words "job" and "resume". OP increased his response rate almost 4x. Why wouldn't he recommend this practice?

> A person with a tech job who couldn't figure out how to create an email filter for the words "job" and "resume".

These filters make mistakes and can hide something that you actually want to notice. It's a low probability mistake, but the price is too high to risk it.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by UweSchmidt »

rocqua wrote: post #227

How do people justify and act going into an interview if you think there is a less than 10% chance of you wanting the job. Do you just walk in and say "Yeah, I don't think this is going to work but I came here just for the hell and experience of it." This feels like a shitty thing to do, it feels even more shitty to walk in like you really want the job when you're mostly there for the practice.

As companies commonly pay for your ticket if you have to travel to a job interview, a friend of mine half-jokingly suggested you could do it full-time as a job for a few years after university. You'd schedule several interviews in a far away city and charge that ticket several times.

More seriously, most people are scared of changing jobs and hate the application process, to their own peril. If you could really own this whole process you'd win on every level.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by gxespino »

golergka wrote: post #281
gxespino wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Horribly annoying to whom exactly? You? A person with a tech job who couldn't figure out how to create an email filter for the words "job" and "resume". OP increased his response rate almost 4x. Why wouldn't he recommend this practice?

> A person with a tech job who couldn't figure out how to create an email filter for the words "job" and "resume". These filters make mistakes and can hide something that you actually want to notice. It's a low probability mistake, but the price is too high to risk it.

Price too high is subjective but I get your point.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by marme »

brutus1213 wrote: post #246
hash-set wrote: post #155

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Well, if you read Quora, everyone makes millions of dollars writing code. In the real world (e.g. not Silicon Valley), yeah, it's hard to crack six figures--took me about 10 years to do that with a BS in CS, MS in Computer Engineering, and an unused doctorate (Info. Sci. with specialization in human factors). I became successful when I left the PhD the hell off my resume.

Do you leave your publications off the list as well? Curious how long your resume is. I currently have a 4 pager full of pubs, conference service, etc. Thinking I should cull a lot of stuff.

get rid of all of it. If you are not applying to a research position it is just junk on the resume that make people want to stop looking at your resume. You want list positions held, tech stack used and important projects delivered. Anything else will be looked at second if at all

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by mkurz »

Holy shit.

Is this some kind of a joke?

> Otherwise, companies automatically categorize us into junior developer roles or tag us as “not enough experience.”

??? What do you think you are after a TWELVE WEEK coding seminar (no matter how intense it was)? It looks frightening to me that he doesn't even know what "junior developer" really means. How ignorant can someone be to NOT think to be a junior dev right after "graduation". Like: I am taking a first aid course - but you have to call me doctor afterwards - otherwise I am pissed off!

> A study by Triplebyte has found that bootcamp grads are weaker in these areas than computer science grads.

Really? No... This must be a lie!

No personal offence here, but honestly, I just can't imagine how a serious company with a certain degree of professionalism is going to hire people like him for a serious software engineering job (or similiar). But actually, if I think back, at my last job a couple of years ago we had a guy similar to him - it ended up giving him all the shitty work that wasn't too complicated and hadn't to much impact on the success of a project (some HTML & CSS stuff for the frontend) but nobody wanted to do (because it sucked). It took him hours and days to finish stuff someone of the rest of the team would have done in maybe half an hour.

I am also wondering about the reactions in the comments - also here on HN - interesting to see what kind if audience is hanging around here.

Anyway. Coding camps seems to be a good way to make money - for the organizers.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by Chromozon »

zengid wrote: post #104

Is anyone else bothered by the code at the beginning of this article? Simply returning the expression would have had the same effect, ie: function getDevJob(studying, hardWork, luck){ return studying && hardWork && luck; } I know that it might not make the code readable to novice javaScripters, but it bothers me anyway..

I immediately picked up on this, too. From the code I've seen, novice programmers tend to do this a lot more often than someone who has been programming for a while.

On a similar note, another thing novice programmers do often is rewrite min and max using if-else.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by linkregister »

vacri wrote: post #259
linkregister wrote: post #164

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The median for software development in San Francisco is about $120k [1]; this means that even experienced developers are getting paid around this amount. Sort by the highest salary and you'll see Twitter, Dropbox, etc. It looks like Square starts at about 100k for a new grad (uni degree). Seems high but it's more credible than $120k for a bootcamp grad. Remember that median rent for a 1 bedroom in a non-trendy area i…

> taxes should take about 39% of salary at that level of income Is that 39% as in marginal tax bracket, or 39% of the absolute total?

Absolute, including federal & California state income tax, Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and MediCal.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by clock_tower »

irrational wrote: post #162
jmeister wrote: post #46

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I think it's a combination of two factors: 1. Programmers have lower status in the UK relative to the US - UK is more status/class conscious in general whereas US is more about money/productivity/impact. 2. Due to a bigger entrepreneurship culture in the US the opportunity cost for programmers is higher and that drives salaries higher across the board.

>UK is more status/class conscious Can you give an example of what this means? I'm a programmer and I have friends that are mechanics, lawyers, teachers, doctors, accountants, electricians, radio engineers, server-cpu designers, etc. Some of us live in McMansions while others of us live in 1 bedroom apartments or anything in between. Would our jobs determine what status/class we belong to in the UK? Or is this based…

I would read Paul Fussel's Class to understand the US social-status system, then multiply it significantly for the UK. Class even in the US is based more on birth and culture than you'd think (only the middle class thinks that social class is determined by job, for example); in the UK, everything I've heard is that this is still more pronounced, and more explicit.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by taneq »

nitrogen wrote: post #243
crystalPalace wrote: post #223

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My github account was brought up in a recent technical interview. The hiring manager felt that my account lacked professionalism because I had several >= 1 year old, unfinished repositories.

That is... bizarre. He should look at the abandoned internal repos of the average software company's experiments and realign his expectations with reality.

Maybe he thought it was a dedicated portfolio repo rather than just "this is where I keep my stuff"?
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