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What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by brutus1213 »

jankedout wrote: post #127
drewrv wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm gonna put on my tin foil hat and say: maybe companies interview like this in order to filter out the people who are too old for this kinda crap.

This style is really filtering those who "don't have time," not by age.

As you get away from CS101, you kind of stop getting excited by it. I honestly don't care to look up how to implement quicksort at this point and would rather hack on some deep learning code in my spare time. Friends my age frustrated by interviewing are in the same position. Guess we're too old for a software job :-p

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Post by megamann »

rocqua wrote: post #227

How do people justify and act going into an interview if you think there is a less than 10% chance of you wanting the job. Do you just walk in and say "Yeah, I don't think this is going to work but I came here just for the hell and experience of it." This feels like a shitty thing to do, it feels even more shitty to walk in like you really want the job when you're mostly there for the practice.

Is it less shitty than companies who are always advertising that they're hiring when they aren't, just to collect resumes?

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by yibg »

dood wrote: post #6

Are people in America seriously getting offers of $120k with no degree, no experience, and not even a side-project? That is mind-blowing. In London, probably the biggest/richest market outside of USA, that sort of salary is beyond what most experienced developers get, even some very good ones. I must be missing something here (some sort of bubble?) because I can't see how businesses can be profitable paying those sor…

The salary growth also tend to be different, at least in the tech centers. More senior engineers at one of the larger tech companies can make several times this all in.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by shortstuffsushi »

forgetsusername wrote: post #8

> the most important thing you could be doing at any point is studying and preparing. "Most important"? Have fun with that. Life is too short to spend time memorizing the answers to over-the-top tech questions for some chance to work for a company no one has heard of (and isn't producing tech near the scale of interview knowledge they require).

One thing that I think is worth noting here -- this guy isn't from a university where he would have learned this, and likely hasn't spent a lot of time using or understanding data structures (unlike "the rest of us"). He's just out of a code camp, studying these sorts of things make sense in that situation. I'd hope someone more experienced wouldn't need to.

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Post by daviross »

patricklynch wrote: post #126
_petronius wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My sense is that it's just a good way to annoy people whose job isn't hiring. At best, you're risking annoying someone who is busy (and your email being deleted with no reply), at worst, you're actively penalizing yourself if you are demonstrating that you aren't willing to go through the standard hiring process that the company uses. (For other terrible ways that job applicants try to "stand out", Ask A Manager is a…

The fact that his response rate when from If anything, assuming most companies have an 'employee referral' program, emailing a random non-recruiter may have the additional advantage that, for no cost to you, someone at that company becomes incentivized for several thousand dollars to lobby for you.

Alternately, it suggests that people getting emails like this should be sure to send them to Recruiting with a "Could not follow instructions, do not hire" note.

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Post by TXV »

I live in what should be considered a developed country in Europe with 5 years work exp also abroad, of which almost 2 of software development in a highly specialized field, and I make one third (1/3) of what the average CS grad makes in SF. It feels very bad...

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Post by gxespino »

cwmoo740 wrote: post #13
dood wrote: post #6

Are people in America seriously getting offers of $120k with no degree, no experience, and not even a side-project? That is mind-blowing. In London, probably the biggest/richest market outside of USA, that sort of salary is beyond what most experienced developers get, even some very good ones. I must be missing something here (some sort of bubble?) because I can't see how businesses can be profitable paying those sor…

It's rare. And a lot of the businesses that are paying these salaries to new developers aren't profitable, they're running on VC money. In my experience $120k is in line with a developer with a 4-year CS degree and 1-2 years of work experience and maybe some OSS work.

Your personal experience as someone hiring developers or yourself looking for new jobs? I think a candidate with a 4 year CS degree and 1-2 years work experience should probably command more than $120k. A lot of it depends on how well you can sell yourself, IMO.

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Post by UweSchmidt »

TXV wrote: post #256

I live in what should be considered a developed country in Europe with 5 years work exp also abroad, of which almost 2 of software development in a highly specialized field, and I make one third (1/3) of what the average CS grad makes in SF. It feels very bad...

How much you pay for rent, and how long is your commute? Maybe you feel a little better now :)

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Post by vacri »

linkregister wrote: post #164
dood wrote: post #6

Are people in America seriously getting offers of $120k with no degree, no experience, and not even a side-project? That is mind-blowing. In London, probably the biggest/richest market outside of USA, that sort of salary is beyond what most experienced developers get, even some very good ones. I must be missing something here (some sort of bubble?) because I can't see how businesses can be profitable paying those sor…

The median for software development in San Francisco is about $120k [1]; this means that even experienced developers are getting paid around this amount. Sort by the highest salary and you'll see Twitter, Dropbox, etc. It looks like Square starts at about 100k for a new grad (uni degree). Seems high but it's more credible than $120k for a bootcamp grad. Remember that median rent for a 1 bedroom in a non-trendy area i…

> taxes should take about 39% of salary at that level of income

Is that 39% as in marginal tax bracket, or 39% of the absolute total?

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Post by UK-AL »

irrational wrote: post #162
jmeister wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a combination of two factors: 1. Programmers have lower status in the UK relative to the US - UK is more status/class conscious in general whereas US is more about money/productivity/impact. 2. Due to a bigger entrepreneurship culture in the US the opportunity cost for programmers is higher and that drives salaries higher across the board.

>UK is more status/class conscious Can you give an example of what this means? I'm a programmer and I have friends that are mechanics, lawyers, teachers, doctors, accountants, electricians, radio engineers, server-cpu designers, etc. Some of us live in McMansions while others of us live in 1 bedroom apartments or anything in between. Would our jobs determine what status/class we belong to in the UK? Or is this based…

You can be a millionaire in the UK, and still be working class.
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