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What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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There is zero chance of this happening until google/facebook stop doing it. This comment appears in every single interview/hiring thread for past decade. Only change I've seen is actually the opposite now there are 5-10 "rounds" of these quizzes even in a no name enterprise companies.

There is anecdotal evidence they did: http://qz.com/378228/google-is-over-those-ridiculous-brainte...

whiteboard binary tree coding != brainteasers, more like memory testers :).

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Are people in America seriously getting offers of $120k with no degree, no experience, and not even a side-project? That is mind-blowing. In London, probably the biggest/richest market outside of USA, that sort of salary is beyond what most experienced developers get, even some very good ones. I must be missing something here (some sort of bubble?) because I can't see how businesses can be profitable paying those sor…

I think it's a combination of two factors: 1. Programmers have lower status in the UK relative to the US - UK is more status/class conscious in general whereas US is more about money/productivity/impact. 2. Due to a bigger entrepreneurship culture in the US the opportunity cost for programmers is higher and that drives salaries higher across the board.

I'd say that is true for most of Europe. The status system is a big burden, and it makes personal interactions less pleasant.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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post #56

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I am pretty young and it seems stupid to me too, this guy wanted to be a React Dev. If he was ever at work writing a binary search tree by hand, or writing his own quick sort function, then he would be wasting his time and creating a huge potential problem point in the code. This guy claims to have worked ~6 days a week for 3 months not to become a great full stack dev, but to become a great interviewee. Seems kinda…

This is what drives me crazy. I'm a bootcamp grad, and I've been interviewing for 6 months. I've spent EVERY single day of those six months, (besides applying and networking and interviewing), working on coding, design, projects, and leveling up so I can collaborate with a team. This guy spends all of his time working on stuff that is considered "level 2", and he will make double what I end up getting. Frustrating.

I have seen that for internal promotions too on guy I knew spent months working his promotion my boss wryly commented of course he has not done any real work for 6 months.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

#104
Is anyone else bothered by the code at the beginning of this article? Simply returning the expression would have had the same effect, ie:

    function getDevJob(studying, hardWork, luck){
        return studying && hardWork && luck;
    }
I know that it might not make the code readable to novice javaScripters, but it bothers me anyway..

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

#106
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

also: > companies automatically categorize us into junior developer roles in other words, correctly categorized

This was the part I didn't understand at all. You go through a CS program for 4 years or more and end up as a junior developer and that's fine, but if you go through a 12 week coding bootcamp you're somehow more qualified and shouldn't be "benchmarked against junior developers"? I do realize I'm making an assumption that there was no prior CS experience before the bootcamp, but isn't that the crowd they're targeting?

I think the boot camp grad is still going to be a junior developer but I can kinda see where someone with a "vocational" (code camp) educated applicant might actually be more productive than a college educated applicant for certain jobs.

To use an imperfect analogy, who would be better at actually building houses; a vocational school grad (who built houses all day as part of his education) or a college educated architect? A lot of programming these days is "hammering nails" not architectural design.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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post #59
post #6

Are people in America seriously getting offers of $120k with no degree, no experience, and not even a side-project? That is mind-blowing. In London, probably the biggest/richest market outside of USA, that sort of salary is beyond what most experienced developers get, even some very good ones. I must be missing something here (some sort of bubble?) because I can't see how businesses can be profitable paying those sor…

Well the revenue of US based businesses is at a significantly higher scale than most European technology companies. Specifically companies like Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Intel all make over $500K per employee (Apple is at $2m!). With such a high revenue to employee ratio, these companies can afford to pay developers at rates immensely above what we see anywhere else. And they should, since smart engineers who…

Why the downvotes? It makes sense.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

#108

So whoever hired the guy should feel bad. He explains the strategy to boost his payroll, he was hiding the bootcamp he was attending and he was showing himself as experienced dev. And also why would you hire someone if 300 other companies were not interested in that person? Ironically his lack of experience shows itself even in the first fancy function he writes on the blog post. Would not this unnecessary if block b…

how could a company feel bad?

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

#109
post #55

I'm happy for this guy, and there are really good tips in here for managing an application funnel. Like others, I'm surprised offers north of 110 are possible given his experience, and can't help but bristle a bit at him being a self described "full stack" developer when it appears he's a front end developer (does rails really count as being a backend engineer?). But he worked exceptionally hard at the process (guess…

yeh my test for a full stack dev would be name the 8th layer of the OSI stack and the 5th layer of TCP/IP :-)

And part of me thinks that a full stack dev should be able to use a soldering iron.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

#110
> A study by Triplebyte has found that bootcamp grads are weaker in these areas than computer science grads.

Really?! Who'da thunk?

> At Hack Reactor, we’re trained to mask our inexperience. In our personal narratives, we purposely omit our bootcamp education.

Hm...

> Why? Otherwise, companies automatically categorize us into junior developer roles or tag us as “not enough experience.”

And you think that after a few weeks of bootcamp "education" you're anything but?

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