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What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

#41

This whole hardcore quizzing and testing during interviews has to go. As far as I can see, all it does is create selection bias for people who memorize things or like to practice interview questions. Maybe that's just me being too old for that kinda' crap.

It selects for people who have recently been through an intensive learning process like a bootcamp.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

#42
At least only 2.8 percent of the companies he contacted were interested in hiring someone whose only genuine reason to be interested in software development is the salary. Now I remember why I've gravitated towards sysadmin rather than dev, and avoid the big tech companies and their cult of overpaid mediocrity.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

#43

This whole hardcore quizzing and testing during interviews has to go. As far as I can see, all it does is create selection bias for people who memorize things or like to practice interview questions. Maybe that's just me being too old for that kinda' crap.

Is anyone more than a beginner if most of our technology is less than a year or two old?

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

#45

This whole hardcore quizzing and testing during interviews has to go. As far as I can see, all it does is create selection bias for people who memorize things or like to practice interview questions. Maybe that's just me being too old for that kinda' crap.

I have been interviewing the last couple months and have the same opinion. I've been coding for years and have some pretty complex stuff up on my GitHub. I quickly found out that nobody looks at your GitHub, maybe 10% max. didn't matter that I had code from two weeks ago that did complex segmented locking on a concurrent hashtable. still got asked "what is threading" level questions at every place. After botching my…

If you call it out to me during your interview during my standard warm-up question of "what have you done that you are particularly proud of it was challenging" and you don't bomb the rest of the interview then I WILL go look it up. I use things like this to remove any coding skills doubts during a debrief. Just putting it on the resume means there's maybe a 20% chance I'll see it.

I'm usually giving the holistic system design question which the interviewee can take any direction they like they just have to go all the way down in one area.

Jr devs on my team give the algorithms question much of the time and I make sure they're looking for the right things. Problem solving not memorization... Comfort in a language not trivial knowledge or formatting issues... Etc. They get sent to the interview class if they ask anything that is a named algorithm... Like three sum, tortoise and hare, etc and expect a candidate to derive it in a 30 minute coding section of an interview. T&H for example took 10 years for industry to derive.

On a side note don't use a language you're not familiar with in an interview because you heard the company likes it. Use what you are solid in. Python and ruby and the like make most interview questions trivial. I cringe on the inside when people jump for c/cpp in an interview esp college hires as it seems to take longer to get fluent in these languages.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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Are people in America seriously getting offers of $120k with no degree, no experience, and not even a side-project? That is mind-blowing. In London, probably the biggest/richest market outside of USA, that sort of salary is beyond what most experienced developers get, even some very good ones. I must be missing something here (some sort of bubble?) because I can't see how businesses can be profitable paying those sor…

I think it's a combination of two factors:

1. Programmers have lower status in the UK relative to the US - UK is more status/class conscious in general whereas US is more about money/productivity/impact.

2. Due to a bigger entrepreneurship culture in the US the opportunity cost for programmers is higher and that drives salaries higher across the board.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

#47

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I have been interviewing the last couple months and have the same opinion. I've been coding for years and have some pretty complex stuff up on my GitHub. I quickly found out that nobody looks at your GitHub, maybe 10% max. didn't matter that I had code from two weeks ago that did complex segmented locking on a concurrent hashtable. still got asked "what is threading" level questions at every place. After botching my…

I'm not shocked that nobody looks at your GitHub. Reading other people's code takes time and energy that a lot of people aren't going to spend if they have a ton of candidates to sift through.

I'm not too surprised either, but I marvel at the amount of time wasted preparing and asking all the stupid questions when they could just look at my code for 5 minutes. Like, the main file in one of my libraries clearly uses concurrent locking, it even says so in readme.md . These were all last round on site interviews and we spent maybe 30 minutes of 2 devs time going over pointless stuff when they could just skim 200 lines of code.

I think it's just that they have a process built up over time like "interview process.doc" and the devs don't want to make any waves going off script

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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That's over £90k in our terms you can see why Google and othe reengineering companies set up in the UK as we are cheap

I have no familiarity with the UK tax practices, but what kind of burden are you for an employer? The US has 7.5% tax per employee. There are a few others such as health insurance.

There's an extra tax paid by the employer, technically "employer's National Insurance contributions", which is about 10% (up to a limit). So that's comparable to US payroll taxes.

Because the National Health Service is generally considered to offer a decent-enough level of care, there's normally no private health insurance in most tech jobs -- so no extra costs there.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

#49
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well first thing - that code at the top can be simplified. function getDevJob(studying, hardwork, luck){ return study && hardwork && luck; } But more seriously - I actually really like point #2. I firmly believe that job interviews have a strong bias towards people with experience doing job interviews. Your "offer-ladder" seems to confirm that for me. It reminds me of that freakonomics article about how real estate a…

Advice I give at all levels is if you're getting bored at your job start interviewing again even if you're not going to take it because: you never know && you need the practice.

Re: What I learned from spending 3 months applying to jobs after a coding bootcamp

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post #6

Are people in America seriously getting offers of $120k with no degree, no experience, and not even a side-project? That is mind-blowing. In London, probably the biggest/richest market outside of USA, that sort of salary is beyond what most experienced developers get, even some very good ones. I must be missing something here (some sort of bubble?) because I can't see how businesses can be profitable paying those sor…

It sounds like it's in the Bay Area, where that level of salary is kind of a minimum, given cost of living.
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