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IRS Requests Bitcoin Buyer Records in Broad Tax Evasion Case

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Re: IRS Requests Bitcoin Buyer Records in Broad Tax Evasion Case

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remembering that time, we saw BTC spoke to the ~1000$us mark. my thoughts about his at the time was that the price spike was largely driven by Chinese demand for BTC.

Note that the price crashed after Beijing halted BTC exchanges with their state banks.

It could be part of some larger plan to leverage info against the sorts of folks who have enough RMB to help drive the price of BTC to +$1000.

Re: IRS Requests Bitcoin Buyer Records in Broad Tax Evasion Case

#52

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US tax law is so dense and complicated that they can effectively implicate anyone they choose. Having worked with numerous small businesses in the past, do you know how many of them could readily provide carbon copy receipts for every single deduction they claimed in the last X years? I think there is a valuable discussion to be had about the power of a federal agency that can so easily zero their sights on anyone th…

> do you know how many of them could readily provide carbon copy receipts for every single deduction they claimed in the last X years? So on what basis did they take those deductions in the first place, if they didn't have the documentation to figure out what their deduction was in the first place? Did they just guess? Or are you saying they had it for one tax season and then destroyed it?

Either they had it and destroyed it, lost it or did what lots of small businesses do and had a credit card or checking account only used for business, then referred against the statements to determine deductions (sans receipts)

Re: IRS Requests Bitcoin Buyer Records in Broad Tax Evasion Case

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But the IRS has not asked for Paypal to dump their entire database of all payments and customers.

In fact they do. "Since 2011, PayPal has been required by the IRS to report the sales of goods and services for customers who, in a single year receive: More than $20,000 USD, AND 200 or more payments." [1] https://www.paypal.com/us/selfhelp/article/How-does-PayPal-r...

That is a significantly smaller subset than "all US customers and all US transactions".

The point is that it's a fishing expedition.

Re: IRS Requests Bitcoin Buyer Records in Broad Tax Evasion Case

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The note from the IRS about Bitcoin I read on CoinBase's site said it's similar to a security. So until you trade it out (sell it) you don't realize a gain. When you do your gains are considered similar to capital gains / capital losses (if you held for more than 1 year). Otherwise considered income.

Well again, I was about to sell some, and figuring out exactly how much I 'gained' from so many tiny buy transactions I imagine would be difficult (but might not be, I'm not sure).

Under their tools menu, they have a report that calculates it for you.

Re: IRS Requests Bitcoin Buyer Records in Broad Tax Evasion Case

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Well again, I was about to sell some, and figuring out exactly how much I 'gained' from so many tiny buy transactions I imagine would be difficult (but might not be, I'm not sure).

It shouldn't be difficult, unless you don't have access to the proper information. The bitcoins you are selling need to be tied to specific bitcoins that were bought. Once you do that, then you have a cost basis for your sale. Subtract the amount you sold them for from your cost basis and that's your gains. If the source transaction was older than a year, it's capital gains. Otherwise, it's income. (This is for the U…

Is there a "first bought, first sold" clause in US tax law regarding securities, or is it the average purchase value of your total holdings during a sale that counts?

E.g. I buy 10 BTC for $1 and then buy 10 BTC for $50 and then sell 10 BTC for $100: I have to pay tax on ($100-$1)

Re: IRS Requests Bitcoin Buyer Records in Broad Tax Evasion Case

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> do you know how many of them could readily provide carbon copy receipts for every single deduction they claimed in the last X years? So on what basis did they take those deductions in the first place, if they didn't have the documentation to figure out what their deduction was in the first place? Did they just guess? Or are you saying they had it for one tax season and then destroyed it?

Either they had it and destroyed it, lost it or did what lots of small businesses do and had a credit card or checking account only used for business, then referred against the statements to determine deductions (sans receipts)

Is an e-mail copy receipt sufficient for the IRS? As a small business, we travel a lot and obviously book travel online (as well as make a number of other business purchases online).

I've never even considered that the e-mail receipt or purchase history on Amazon.com might not be sufficient documentation. Is this something I should spend the next half-hour researching, or am I concerned over nothing?

Re: IRS Requests Bitcoin Buyer Records in Broad Tax Evasion Case

#57

I buy a small amount (about $20 worth) every paycheck, so I'm really not sure how to even report that reasonably. With such a volatile price, I don't really know how much it's gone up or down without some serious calculations. I'm not really sure what to do about that. I was just about to sell some of it too, to help cover some recent expenses.

I am not an accountant or tax advisor.

Lots of little transactions are a pain, but I do believe you are required to track them in order to report your capital gains correctly. You only have capital gains when you sell, but you need to know your purchase prices and dates in order to compute it.

I used this website to analyze my CoinBase transactions: https://bitcoin.tax/

The site imports the transactions and computes your capital gains automatically. Then I entered my information into the IRS capital gains worksheet and reported the gains on my taxes.

Re: IRS Requests Bitcoin Buyer Records in Broad Tax Evasion Case

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This was just a matter of time. Welcome to the reality of being involved in the money business in the USA. Coinbase is concerned with the breadth of the request. That is actually kind of cute considering that your bank has to report any transaction over $10000 to the US Dept of Treasury and people are actively prosecuted on suspicion of making transactions under this threshold to avoid reporting requirements [1]. Whe…

This, absolutely. I'm actually surprised the government showed their hand so soon. There must be a lot of money in Bitcoin already. The government WANTS people to go 100% digital with their capital. It is infinitely easier to track digital money. Bitcoin is something they're against because the anonymity factor. I won't be surprised if we see some legislation to block or inhibit anonymous digital currency. Let's not…

> This, absolutely. I'm actually surprised the government showed their hand so soon.

Does this have anything to do with Trump coming into power?

Re: IRS Requests Bitcoin Buyer Records in Broad Tax Evasion Case

#60

I buy a small amount (about $20 worth) every paycheck, so I'm really not sure how to even report that reasonably. With such a volatile price, I don't really know how much it's gone up or down without some serious calculations. I'm not really sure what to do about that. I was just about to sell some of it too, to help cover some recent expenses.

It's no different than any other stock or ETF.
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