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Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by Jonnax »

manigandham wrote: post #528
baq wrote: post #517

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that's the whole point of the GP: it's not the tech or the money that's the goal, it's the helping out part that drives both the tech and the money. i agree that this doesn't look usual and i applaud Musk for becoming rich and still being focused on his original goals instead of trying to make more money.

> being focused on his original goals instead of trying to make more money. My point is that there's nothing wrong with trying to make more money as the goal. It's not some morally lesser option.

I think the intention isn't really to say that making money is a bad thing. But more that forgoing ideals/morals/principles/etc can lead to negative acts.

An extreme example is dumping industrial waste illegally to save on costs of safe disposal.

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by thasaleni »

bigboris wrote: post #501
fmueller wrote: post #410

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Nothing a company builds is free. And I think it's better to pay with money than with data. Not saying you're not paying with both here.

Absolutely. Money is once...you pay it to someone, they pay it to someone else, they no longer have it. When you pay someone with your data, they have that forever and can monetize it hundreds of different ways over and over long after you've moved on or stopped using whatever you got from them.

One question we fail to ask, when we compare money to personal data, is how much is that data worth to you, when it's not being monetized by some company x?

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by xchaotic »

thasaleni wrote: post #532
bigboris wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. Money is once...you pay it to someone, they pay it to someone else, they no longer have it. When you pay someone with your data, they have that forever and can monetize it hundreds of different ways over and over long after you've moved on or stopped using whatever you got from them.

One question we fail to ask, when we compare money to personal data, is how much is that data worth to you, when it's not being monetized by some company x?

Not much at all in most cases, at least not in a way you can easily monetize. To sum up others can get some money from it, you don't. So you are getting the short end of the stick. This made me delete most of my social media accounts.

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by serge2k »

CaptSpify wrote: post #468
wscott wrote: post #393

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>And this is intended to generate a significant amount of revenue You gotta appreciate the honesty. It is so unusual that we still look at this trying to see the angles.

One of the good impressions that I get from Musk: Money does not seem to be his goal, but rather a side-effect of good technology. Unlike a lot of other people who seem to use good technology as a means of achieving money. He seems genuinely eager to get projects started and self-sustainable so that they can outlive him and push humanity forward.

Uh huh.

Or you know, he's already rich.

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by Consultant32452 »

danenania wrote: post #523
Consultant32452 wrote: post #492

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The CIA trained, armed, and radicalized the Syrians to fan the flames of the "popular uprising" in Syria. Then, Iran and Russia came to the aid of their ally and the coup failed. Those Syrians migrated to Iraq and formed ISIS which is now active in over 30 countries. Of course, now that the coup has failed the Pentagon is backing Assad because... well I honestly don't know why. http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast…

Isis started in Iraq as Al Qaeda in Iraq, and is primarily led by former officers of Sadam Hussein's military. They certainly took advantage of the chaos in Syria, but it was the Iraq war that led to the formation of Isis. Syria just added fuel to the fire.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isi... A year into the Syrian rebellion, the US and its allies weren’t only supporting and arming an opposition they knew to be dominated by extreme sectarian groups; they were prepared to countenance the creation of some sort of “Islamic state” – despite the “grave danger” to Iraq’s unity – as a Sunni buffer to weaken Syria.

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by norea-armozel »

schiffern wrote: post #357
katzgrau wrote: post #7

Free, global internet access is the next step toward a smarter, more progressive planet. I don't even care about the speed - if the only thing users could access was wikipedia, I'd still personally donate to the project. I cannot emphasize how important democratizing knowledge is to me (and many others).

>Free, Not free according to Musk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHeZHyOnsm4&t=12m37s > Well it can't be free. Because then we'll, like, we'll go out of business. [laugh] > No, no, it can't be free to the user. I don't think so. > This would be... this would cost a lot to build. Ultimately over time to build the full version of the system, we're talking about something that would be 10 or 15 billion dollars to crea…

Even at 300 dollars a month if he throws in a decent hub or terminal it could be a net savings for any NGO, research team, or rural government or village. Especially on the last two if they're allow to resell a portion of their access to cover their costs. I hope the 100 dollar price point becomes viable, though. That would probably increase the market for them and just would be a boon for many more people.

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by EthanHeilman »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #529
EthanHeilman wrote: post #527

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1. US/CIA did not support a coup, no coup was attempted or has taken place in Syria, this is not even a point of controversy. Instead the US provided support to factions after a civil war had started. Revolution does not imply coup. 2. As another poster noted, ISIS started in Iraq not Syria. 3. The Syrian factions which the US supported are opposed to ISIS and fought several early battles against them. Some US allies…

1. The CIA has been funding Syrian opposition forces since 2006, well before the civil war began in 2011. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Syria#Parami... Wikileaks has reported that the US government has been covertly funding the Syrian opposition since 2006.[40] 2. Yes, ISIS started in Iraq, by not primarily by Iraqis. As I said, the Syrians who had been trained, armed, and radicalized by the CIA fle…

1. Funding the opposition, is not the same as fund a coup or arming factions in a civil war. The US funds opposition movements in many countries. The link you give is about the US performing a raid into Syria against an Iraqi insurgent network.

2. What happened in Syria is a civil war not a Coup d'etat.

>"the Syrians who had been trained, armed, and radicalized by the CIA fled to Iraq when the coup failed and started ISIS."

The civil war was going well for the rebels all throughout the rise of ISIS, so I'm curious when you thought this was happening? All sources agree that ISIS was formed in Iraq and then infiltrated into Syria.

"the US and its allies weren’t only supporting and arming an opposition they knew to be dominated by extreme sectarian groups - they were prepared to countenance the creation of some sort of “Islamic state”"

Lets parse that carefully as it is deceptively written:

* "the US and its allies" that is, the US had one policy and its allies had another, but the author chooses to group them together to blame the US for activities undertaken by US allies which the US actively opposed and ran counter to US interests.

* "supporting and arming an opposition they knew to be dominated by extreme sectarian groups" while true the US was going out of its way to arm the less extreme elements (unlike some US allies).

* "they were prepared to countenance the creation of some sort of “Islamic state”", that is, a DIA intelligence assessment considered the possibility that the Sunni population of Iraq might break away from Iraq. They didn't support this possibility, just said it could happen (and it did). This state need not be "The Islamic State", but author choose the name "Islamic State" to make it sound like the US supported the Islamic State.

The author of that piece is being willfully misleading. Note that it was published in the Opinion section of the guardian. Even with all that the author supports my claim that ISIS started in Iraq.

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EthanHeilman wrote: post #537
Consultant32452 wrote: post #529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. The CIA has been funding Syrian opposition forces since 2006, well before the civil war began in 2011. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Syria#Parami... Wikileaks has reported that the US government has been covertly funding the Syrian opposition since 2006.[40] 2. Yes, ISIS started in Iraq, by not primarily by Iraqis. As I said, the Syrians who had been trained, armed, and radicalized by the CIA fle…

1. Funding the opposition, is not the same as fund a coup or arming factions in a civil war. The US funds opposition movements in many countries. The link you give is about the US performing a raid into Syria against an Iraqi insurgent network. 2. What happened in Syria is a civil war not a Coup d'etat. >"the Syrians who had been trained, armed, and radicalized by the CIA fled to Iraq when the coup failed and started…

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Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by EthanHeilman »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #529
EthanHeilman wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. US/CIA did not support a coup, no coup was attempted or has taken place in Syria, this is not even a point of controversy. Instead the US provided support to factions after a civil war had started. Revolution does not imply coup. 2. As another poster noted, ISIS started in Iraq not Syria. 3. The Syrian factions which the US supported are opposed to ISIS and fought several early battles against them. Some US allies…

1. The CIA has been funding Syrian opposition forces since 2006, well before the civil war began in 2011. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Syria#Parami... Wikileaks has reported that the US government has been covertly funding the Syrian opposition since 2006.[40] 2. Yes, ISIS started in Iraq, by not primarily by Iraqis. As I said, the Syrians who had been trained, armed, and radicalized by the CIA fle…

BTW thanks for an interesting conversation. I wish there was a better format for it than reply threads. It would be really helpful be able to address and counter-address claims. So much gets lost in the confusion of the format.
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