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Single menu bar for Ubuntu

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Re: Single menu bar for Ubuntu

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Personally I'd like it for the desktop too. I've grown quite accustomed to MacOSX's menubar.

It would be nice to at least have the option on the desktop, even if it is not the default.

KDE has had the option of a global menu bar for awhile:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KDE_Global_menu.png

It's not very consistent across applications, though. Hopefully Ubuntu's work here will also help more applications work with other implementations of it.

Re: Single menu bar for Ubuntu

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A screenshot of a Lisa would do nicely too. I am happy this is only for the netbook version. It's a usability nightmare when you have a 30" monitor (or a couple big ones). Actually, with two monitors, OSX becomes pretty disorienting.

I do not find this to be true at all. But to each his own.

I do indeed prefer menus and toolbars to be close to the information I am manipulating. The one contextual menu bar on the top of the screen made a lot of sense on the early days of the Lisa and the Mac, but unless you get used to keyboard shortcuts, it does not make a lot of sense to move your mouse to monitor 1 when what you want to do is with something in a window on monitor 2 (or 3).

It doesn't bother me too much when I am running a couple terminals and Emacs, or working on a spreadsheet on Google docs, but it would drive me crazy if I had to do it with Word. Specially with two or more 24+ inch screens.

I am curious as to how do you deal with this situation. Keyboard shortcuts or moving the mouse between monitors? How frequent is each situation?

Re: Single menu bar for Ubuntu

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I'm barely resisting the urge to post an OS X screen shot.) It's like http://code.google.com/p/gnome2-globalmenu/ but modified to normally display the window title and only display menus on mouseover (hello discoverability).

A screenshot of a Lisa would do nicely too. I am happy this is only for the netbook version. It's a usability nightmare when you have a 30" monitor (or a couple big ones). Actually, with two monitors, OSX becomes pretty disorienting.

Usability metrics and studies disagree with you.

It's a pretty basic usability heuristic that states click targets on the edge of the screen are much more usable than floating targets.

Re: Single menu bar for Ubuntu

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A screenshot of a Lisa would do nicely too. I am happy this is only for the netbook version. It's a usability nightmare when you have a 30" monitor (or a couple big ones). Actually, with two monitors, OSX becomes pretty disorienting.

I do not find this to be true at all. But to each his own.

Do you have two large monitors? I find OS X so poorly adapted to my 30" + 27" Monitor, that I frequently find myself just using my 17" MacBook Pro - it's not as much real estate, but the large monitor is so clumsy, that, except in very specific tasks where I need to have multiple windows going simultaneously so I can see tasks happening at the same time, I get very little extra value, and sometimes _lose_ productivity from having to move my mouse Waaaay over to the first screen from something that might be (literally) feet away.

It's a little better with two 24" monitors.

Re: Single menu bar for Ubuntu

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There are outstanding questions about the usability of a panel-hosted menu on much larger screens, where the window and the menu could be very far apart.

Fitt's Law means that, in the relevant respect, the edge of the screen is always closer to your mouse than just about anything else.

Re: Single menu bar for Ubuntu

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I really admire Shuttleworth and the rest of the Ubuntu design team for being courageous about making basic changes to the desktop UI. Open source tends to produce a lot of design-by-committee or completely undesigned software, so having somebody making big decisions and experimenting is really valuable. Nobody else big is really doing this. There are plenty of alternative window managers for Linux or whatever, but f…

I personally wish they would go and buy a Mac and leave the desktop as it is.

Re: Single menu bar for Ubuntu

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Personally I'd like it for the desktop too. I've grown quite accustomed to MacOSX's menubar.

The article cites this option will be available. But on higher resolutions, it doesn't make sense, because it increases the distance between the window and the menu, requiring more mouse movement.

Re: Single menu bar for Ubuntu

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post #37
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Personally I'd like it for the desktop too. I've grown quite accustomed to MacOSX's menubar.

The article cites this option will be available. But on higher resolutions, it doesn't make sense, because it increases the distance between the window and the menu, requiring more mouse movement.

OTOH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law

Re: Single menu bar for Ubuntu

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post #36

I really admire Shuttleworth and the rest of the Ubuntu design team for being courageous about making basic changes to the desktop UI. Open source tends to produce a lot of design-by-committee or completely undesigned software, so having somebody making big decisions and experimenting is really valuable. Nobody else big is really doing this. There are plenty of alternative window managers for Linux or whatever, but f…

I personally wish they would go and buy a Mac and leave the desktop as it is.

Care to elaborate? Apple's products and Ubuntu are entirely different in how they are managed. While Apple's is an almost entirely closed ecosystem, Ubuntu's is almost entirely open.

What's wrong with someone trying to innovate in the PC desktop space?

Re: Single menu bar for Ubuntu

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article cites this option will be available. But on higher resolutions, it doesn't make sense, because it increases the distance between the window and the menu, requiring more mouse movement.

OTOH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law

I wonder if the differences of opinion here are due to different mouse acceleration. Ideally you should be able to hit a global menu with a small mouse movement even on a large monitor, but with improper acceleration it would be more work.
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