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Why Is Apple's iPhone Prototype Entitled To More Justice?

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Re: Why Is Apple's iPhone Prototype Entitled To More Justice?

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Maybe so. But if so, then REACT shouldn't have any trouble explaining why the investigation of this single phone was so important. There are thousands of IT businesses that have been cheated, defrauded, stolen from, and counterfeited, and yet Apple's already-returned single phone gets preferential treatment. Why? Your explanation might be perfectly valid, but it's not the explanation REACT has given. They haven't exp…

Mr Kennerly, I feel you're being a little disingenuous here. A couple of days ago (before the police involvement) you mentioned this story in another article on your blog( http://www.litigationandtrial.com/2010/04/articles/series/sp... ), saying Gawker Media, publisher of Gizmodo, paid $10,000 to the "finder" of a "lost" prototype iPhone. ($10k was the original rumor about the sum paid). Now, if I may paraphrase, you…

No doubt, counterfeiting deserves policing. And that's a big part of my point: Gawker posting pictures of a prototype iPhone that Apple lost in the wild isn't counterfeiting. Why, then, should REACT give the case such a high priority to the Gawker case -- and use such aggressive measures -- when it could be out dealing with, as you say, the "quarter-billion dollars a year in lost revenue" from counterfeiting?

The analogy you give about my firm is close, but let's make it exactly on point. Let's presume I have some major class action against Apple and, weeks before a major brief is due, I leave a copy of it on the train and some intrepid blogger posts the whole thing, thereby giving Apple a window into my strategy.

Would this be embarrassing? Of course. Would it prejudice my clients? It could.

Would the police care? Of course not.

The police would tell me that, if I had a problem with it, I should sue the guy. End of story. And, indeed, as I wrote before, if Apple wants to sort out its legal remedies, there is a civil justice system ready and waiting for it.

What's so disturbing here is the aggressive response by criminal law enforcement authorities. If you or me or thousands of other technology companies had complained to the police about an identical incident, we would've been told to seek remedies elsewhere. Apple, however, got the full lawful power of the state and then some in the form of an overly broad and potentially illegal seizure of a journalists' computers.

That's a problem, and its one that deserves some degree of explanation from REACT.

Re: Why Is Apple's iPhone Prototype Entitled To More Justice?

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Asking "Why were two completely different crime department cases in two completely different jurisdictions handled in two completely different ways?" is just glomming onto current news in an attempt to raise the profile of some other complaint. The complaint (her TRO should have been enforced) is valid, but has nothing to do with the handling of trade secrets investigation elsewhere in the country.

The question is the difference in public response at the two cases. Just FYI for the ESLs and reading-comprehension-impaired.

Quite, but Gizmodo/Gawker are in the business of getting attention. It's not as if they normally toil in obscurity and suddenly found themselves singled out for publicity.

Re: Why Is Apple's iPhone Prototype Entitled To More Justice?

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People are ignoring the media aspect to all of this. You do not want such a public case to go unpunished or ignored by the state. If some random phone gets lost obviously you aren't going to spend too much resources on this because there aren't enough available. I'm pretty sure not all such individual cases are ignored, so it's not like only the corporations "receive justice". But, having such a public case about a p…

If we use this logic, we must conclude that it is more acceptable in the state's eyes (or at least the state wants everybody to think it is more acceptable) to murder children than to take photos of a prototype phone. This is an extremely disturbing case if your suggested reasoning is correct.

No more than we must conclude two HN comments from different posters represent yCombinator's corporate viewpoint.

Re: Why Is Apple's iPhone Prototype Entitled To More Justice?

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I don't remember Gray Powell ever making a statement to that effect. That was Gizmodo side of the story.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-engineer-gray-powell-... Gray admits he left the phone at the bar, and then came back later (presumably sober, the next day) and was upset when it wasn't there. He may as well have given it away. The phone was not stolen. It was carelessly lost.

Powell doesn't "admit" that he was drunk, or that he left the phone at the bar, at any point in that story.

Re: Why Is Apple's iPhone Prototype Entitled To More Justice?

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If we use this logic, we must conclude that it is more acceptable in the state's eyes (or at least the state wants everybody to think it is more acceptable) to murder children than to take photos of a prototype phone. This is an extremely disturbing case if your suggested reasoning is correct.

No more than we must conclude two HN comments from different posters represent yCombinator's corporate viewpoint.

That's not similar, because we are not representatives of HN. Government employees using their authority do represent the government.

Re: Why Is Apple's iPhone Prototype Entitled To More Justice?

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Mr Kennerly, I feel you're being a little disingenuous here. A couple of days ago (before the police involvement) you mentioned this story in another article on your blog( http://www.litigationandtrial.com/2010/04/articles/series/sp... ), saying Gawker Media, publisher of Gizmodo, paid $10,000 to the "finder" of a "lost" prototype iPhone. ($10k was the original rumor about the sum paid). Now, if I may paraphrase, you…

No doubt, counterfeiting deserves policing. And that's a big part of my point: Gawker posting pictures of a prototype iPhone that Apple lost in the wild isn't counterfeiting. Why, then, should REACT give the case such a high priority to the Gawker case -- and use such aggressive measures -- when it could be out dealing with, as you say, the "quarter-billion dollars a year in lost revenue" from counterfeiting? The ana…

Let's presume I have some major class action against Apple and, weeks before a major brief is due, I leave a copy of it on the train and some intrepid blogger posts the whole thing, thereby giving Apple a window into my strategy.

Woah, there - let's trace that chain of events a little more closely. The 'intrepid blogger' has publicly offered a reward for any inside information about your suit - and your clients have already demanded that he cease and desist from doing so, because such a reward suborns a breach of confidentiality. Your loss is careless, but the blogger pays someone for your briefcase, unlocks it, and makes public about half the contents, while publicly bragging about the manner in which he obtained it and incidentally mocking you for using public transport. Finally, he demands that your inaugural client in the suit publicly beg for its retrieval, even though he knows where to find you, and also the identity and location of your client.

If you or me or thousands of other technology companies had complained to the police about an identical incident, we would've been told to seek remedies elsewhere.

How can you say that? There are abundant examples of law enforcement assisting in the recovery or investigation of misappropriated IP resulting in custodial sentences.

I mean, take a look at http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/ipnews.html - There are over 100 trade secret related cases here, from companies both large and small, and many of them concern opportunistic rather than premeditated misappropriation. If I had a Westlaw or L/N account at home I'm sure I could quickly pinpoint many at the state level too.

Re: Why Is Apple's iPhone Prototype Entitled To More Justice?

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No more than we must conclude two HN comments from different posters represent yCombinator's corporate viewpoint.

That's not similar, because we are not representatives of HN. Government employees using their authority do represent the government.

Which government? We have thousands of them in US, in case you hadn't noticed. My point is that 'the state' is not a monolithic entity, and the comparison of two different crimes in different jurisdictions in different decades doesn't mean anything very much.

Re: Why Is Apple's iPhone Prototype Entitled To More Justice?

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No doubt, counterfeiting deserves policing. And that's a big part of my point: Gawker posting pictures of a prototype iPhone that Apple lost in the wild isn't counterfeiting. Why, then, should REACT give the case such a high priority to the Gawker case -- and use such aggressive measures -- when it could be out dealing with, as you say, the "quarter-billion dollars a year in lost revenue" from counterfeiting? The ana…

Let's presume I have some major class action against Apple and, weeks before a major brief is due, I leave a copy of it on the train and some intrepid blogger posts the whole thing, thereby giving Apple a window into my strategy. Woah, there - let's trace that chain of events a little more closely. The 'intrepid blogger' has publicly offered a reward for any inside information about your suit - and your clients have…

You're putting a couple carts before your horse there.

First, you presume there's a trade secret. There's no indication that is correct; all I see is a new soon-to-be-sold product that Apple intentionally let off of its campus and into the wild.

Second, you presume Gawker criminally misappropriated or otherwise misused the trade secret. Gawker bought a lost phone. Did they have a duty under California law to seek out its owner? Possibly -- but that's an entirely different question from if they criminally violated trade secrets laws. There's no indication that Gawker had any duty at all to protect Apple's secrets; it's not like Gawker is an employee at Apple. You can't just say that, because a person committed a lesser crime, they necessarily committed all greater conceivable crimes. Same goes for the person who found and sold the phone.

Third, you presume the government had probable cause to believe that each of the items seized from Chen had information relating to a crime. Two problems with that: (a) as noted above, it's unclear a crime even was committed and (b) the warrant was patently overbroad, and its doubtful the government had more in mind than a fishing expedition. That's a plain violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Fourth, where's the fire? There's no on-going crime here. There's no criminal enterprise. There's an isolated, public incident. So why the high priority? Why the extremely aggressive measures of seizing all of a journalists' computers?

Compare and contrast that situation to one of the cases listed on the DOJ website you linked to:

"In support of his plea, Mitchell acknowledged that on September 5, 2007, he emailed much of the contents of a DuPont proprietary spreadsheet document entitled “Denier Economics” to an official with Kolon. “Denier” is a term used to describe the weight per unit length (linear density) of a continuous filament or yarn. The Denier Economics spreadsheet contained highly sensitive business trade secret information related to DuPont’s production capacity for Kevlar® yarn in a variety of denier types. Included in the information for each denier type were specific figures relating to annual production, unit capacity, spin speeds, and several factors relating to line efficiency (such as percentage yield and percentage up time). The Denier Economics spreadsheet was closely held and distributed to a small number of DuPont personnel on a need-to-know basis only."

Now that's a trade secret, and it's a clear misappropriation of it by someone with a duty to keep it secret.

And what did the DOJ do there? Did they start seizing the property of third parties covered by shield laws?

No. They slowly started building a case.

The exact opposite of what REACT did here.

Shoot first, ask later, for high profile crimes is not just the wrong approach, it's unconstitutional and inappropriate. And it demands an explanation.

Re: Why Is Apple's iPhone Prototype Entitled To More Justice?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's presume I have some major class action against Apple and, weeks before a major brief is due, I leave a copy of it on the train and some intrepid blogger posts the whole thing, thereby giving Apple a window into my strategy. Woah, there - let's trace that chain of events a little more closely. The 'intrepid blogger' has publicly offered a reward for any inside information about your suit - and your clients have…

You're putting a couple carts before your horse there. First, you presume there's a trade secret. There's no indication that is correct; all I see is a new soon-to-be-sold product that Apple intentionally let off of its campus and into the wild. Second, you presume Gawker criminally misappropriated or otherwise misused the trade secret. Gawker bought a lost phone. Did they have a duty under California law to seek out…

I'll try and keep this short, so we don't waste time in a dead thread (but you're welcome to email if you like).

1. I agree the trade secret is questionable. But an employee having it off-campus isn't a release into the wild. Gizmodo even wrote an article about how well it was disguised, calling it '[a] very ingenious solution to protect future designs from lookeyloos'. It's hard to argue Apple intentionally abandoned their IP; and although the exterior shell was removable, the finder did not disassemble the device within. So when Gizmodo got it, the only information 'in the wild' - which was published by Engadget, who were also offered the device - was its external appearance.

2. Gawker paid $5000, by their own admission. Clearly they considered the likely provenance of the phone to have commercial value, and I think that part is legitimate - the loss of a prototype by a famously secretive firm is newsworthy for both consumers and stockholders, who have an interest in the integrity of the firm's IP. Gawker certainly has no obligation to help Apple keep their reputation for security intact.

Arguably it was stolen under CA law, arguably that put Gawker in a position of receiving, knowing that it could not be legally saleable under the circumstances. And arguably they took the phone with the intent of returning it to Apple, and what they paid for was the story of how it was lost and found, making it newsworthy as above.

Where I part ways with Gawker is in what occurred next. Believing it was likely a prototype they could easily infer that it belonged to Apple; and being experienced tech journalists, they certainly knew how to get of hold of someone senior there, describe the device and its attached ID labels, and confirm its authenticity. A quick look at California's Uniform Trade Secrets Act would have apprised them that a prototype device is itself a trade secret, and that they did have a duty of care, under subparagraph (b)(2)(C) of the UTSA: ['Misappropriation' means .. disclosure or use .. by someone who] Before a material change of his or her position, knew or had reason to know that it was a trade secret and that knowledge of it had been acquired by accident or mistake.

So - loss of protoype phone, not a secret. External appearance of same - also not a secret, Engadget has republished the finder's own photos. Acquisition of device - defensible, even with money involved. So far, so good. Take all the pictures you want, call Apple, confirm and return, publish and be damned. Prior restraint is a barrier to any injunctions from Apple, as shown by Ford Motor Co. v Lane.

But this is not what happened. Instead, Gawker, acting as Chen's employers, 'dissected' (their word) the device, up to the point of Chen losing confidence in his ability to reassemble it, and published the results.

Now this seems to me like a clear violation of not only the UTSA (creating civil liability) but the Economic Espionage Act of 1996, specifically title 18, § 1832. I suggest that Gawker converted possession of a prototype device, destined for an existing global market, into advertising revenue based on readership, knowing that publication of the device's internal construction would injure Apple by benefiting competitors and counterfeiters.

I think they have violated this law in multiple ways, and possibly violated laws against receiving and fraud (for misrepresentation of fact to the finder/seller and employees about their liability under civil and criminal law).

3. Yes, I think Gawker's published version of events is prima facie evidence of a crime and that the federal statute cited provides for a very broad search. To my mind the only question is how far up Gawker's chain of command the responsibility goes.

4. How do we know? Gawker parlays its audience into sometimes exclusive access to products, services and information in the various industries it covers. They have actively solicited confidential commercial information for cash, relying on their journalistic privilege to protect them. Is it not possible that they, or one of their staff, would share a trade secret for some quid pro quo, given their professed lack of ethical inhibitions?

Yes, it is indeed an aggressive approach by the police. But skilled technologists have been known to destroy digital evidence, and Gawker blogs have published a articles on topics like concealment or permanent deletion of digital information...as recently as last month. And no, I'm not sure I would trust a promise to voluntarily abstain from doing so.

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