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Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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That's totally unsurprising to hear. Wal-Mart apparently defaults to portraying unions as pure evil. I don't know what the current procedure is like, but they used to make new hires watch laughably biased "educational" videos about unions. I don't remember the contents in detail, just that they roughly reminded me of '80s anti-drug PSAs/specials, with union organizers essentially taking the place of the "drug pusher"…

I think the parent comment was pointing out that the foxbusiness article was pretty blatant plagiarism -- in fact, if you go through the two articles side-by-side, you can see that the foxbusiness article is pretty much taken verbatim, albeit some slight restructuring (that IMO harms the overall flow of the piece). One point, though, although I'm not sure how to interpret this, is that the original author (Nassauer)…

The WSJ is owned by News Corp, the same company that owns Fox News. So this is probably not plagarizing, just a company printing an article in their various holdings.

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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I don't know. The next administration might actually be tougher re: pro-worker laws against multi-national importers of Chinese made stuff. This might not apply to unions necessarily though.

> re: pro-worker laws against multi-national importers of Chinese made stuff. The pro-worker stuff was just to attract that demographic, I'm pretty sure.

I think that people should give the Trump administration a chance. The GOP knows that blue collar whites were the force behind his election. He's going to have to deliver for these laborers if he wants to have a chance in 2020.

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But not in one giant queryable SQL table. I'd worry about parallelized spearfishing attacks across multiple stores, "Good Morning DEF, have I reached store number 12345 cash handling office? OK good to hear, this ABC at walmart corporate IT calling back about that trouble ticket your coworker XYZ entered about your store in Springfield, is XYZ at work now? Oh OK, well, anyway the ticket says XYZ is having trouble acc…

Uhhh... "facebook can't query user data"? Facebook even has the current occupation and location data of users, so of course they can find out at what specific store you work! Facebook has a larger user base with richer data on them, than the app in the story. None of that data is E2E encrypted, and all of it is available to (some) FB employees. I think your FUD is unjustified here.

Nowhere did he say that "facebook couldn't query user data".

He's saying that it's probably not in a form that's easily queryable. With that information in an ill-secured data store that's highly categorized you can do all sorts of mischief.

And how is it FUD? Once you cleanse and normalize data, fraud opportunities become very apparent.

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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> re: pro-worker laws against multi-national importers of Chinese made stuff. The pro-worker stuff was just to attract that demographic, I'm pretty sure.

I think that people should give the Trump administration a chance. The GOP knows that blue collar whites were the force behind his election. He's going to have to deliver for these laborers if he wants to have a chance in 2020.

Trump is not the GOP, he is a self serving billionaire. Two days ago his daughter, who oversees the Trump organization, is invited to a meeting with the Japanese PM. Today he is cutting deals with Indian businessmen who say they are more interested now that he is president.

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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It's an illegal labor practice in the US for an employer to do that. It's interference with the right to bargain collectively. But WalMart probably doesn't have much to fear from the Labor Department. Even under the current administration, enforcement is weak, and it will probably be weaker under the next administration. It's really tough to organize a union today, even though the law as written is pro-union.

I don't know. The next administration might actually be tougher re: pro-worker laws against multi-national importers of Chinese made stuff. This might not apply to unions necessarily though.

Do you want to bet? The Trump administration will not be pro-union.

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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1. Hello Streisand effect. 2. Does anyone else hope semi-anonymous apps like this will lead to a new age of unionization?

2. More than you can imagine. Technology should be bringing an end to sharecropping, not further increasing economic inequality.

Unclear; Wal-mart or other hugecorps can make fake apps that suck people in just like other fake apps.

Guess the wrong app, get a "union" bit set in your employee profile.

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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post #11

It's an illegal labor practice in the US for an employer to do that. It's interference with the right to bargain collectively. But WalMart probably doesn't have much to fear from the Labor Department. Even under the current administration, enforcement is weak, and it will probably be weaker under the next administration. It's really tough to organize a union today, even though the law as written is pro-union.

I don't know. The next administration might actually be tougher re: pro-worker laws against multi-national importers of Chinese made stuff. This might not apply to unions necessarily though.

I cannot fathom where your doubts could be possibly coming from.

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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post #26

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I don't know. The next administration might actually be tougher re: pro-worker laws against multi-national importers of Chinese made stuff. This might not apply to unions necessarily though.

That was rhetoric to attract a demographic that felt displaced by globalism and by an Other that wasn't white. Never once were unions touted as a solution, despite unions pushing for contracts that would prevent outsourcing and would set compensation plans for workers whose jobs were automated away or moved overseas.

Unions are pro-Democrat (their members possibly not so much this election though). I really can't see Trump supporting them for multiple reasons.

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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> re: pro-worker laws against multi-national importers of Chinese made stuff. The pro-worker stuff was just to attract that demographic, I'm pretty sure.

I think that people should give the Trump administration a chance. The GOP knows that blue collar whites were the force behind his election. He's going to have to deliver for these laborers if he wants to have a chance in 2020.

He'll just blame someone else for his failures.
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