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Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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It's an illegal labor practice in the US for an employer to do that. It's interference with the right to bargain collectively.

But WalMart probably doesn't have much to fear from the Labor Department. Even under the current administration, enforcement is weak, and it will probably be weaker under the next administration. It's really tough to organize a union today, even though the law as written is pro-union.

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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post #8

1. Hello Streisand effect. 2. Does anyone else hope semi-anonymous apps like this will lead to a new age of unionization?

Judging by the information they're collecting, there's nothing anonymous or "semi-anonymous" about this app.

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

#13

Just to play devil's advocate here, this is from the article: > The app, called WorkIt, invites users to register by providing a name, email, telephone number and ZIP Code. Users can also s hare (sic) their job title and Wal-Mart store number.... That is a bunch of personally identifying information. You can easily steal somebody's identity with those bits of information, or at least have a good idea of who they are.…

I'm not convinced by your argument. People freely give away this information and more to facebook, etc.

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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Just to play devil's advocate here, this is from the article: > The app, called WorkIt, invites users to register by providing a name, email, telephone number and ZIP Code. Users can also s hare (sic) their job title and Wal-Mart store number.... That is a bunch of personally identifying information. You can easily steal somebody's identity with those bits of information, or at least have a good idea of who they are.…

It's not PII [1]. That's an actual legal term. Workit apparently wants worker identifying information, and Walmart, like other employers are free to tell their workers not to provide it, but there's no ethical or legal reason they can give to workers not to use it.

It's not unlike GlassDoor - lots of companies would prefer you didn't use it, but at the employee level, the advantage/disadvantage ratio is pretty in your favor.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personally_identifiable_inform...

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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post #8

1. Hello Streisand effect. 2. Does anyone else hope semi-anonymous apps like this will lead to a new age of unionization?

What a way for corporations to infiltrate budding labor organizations, though. Cynical-me expects a rash of fakes and knock-offs where any data input in the app goes straight to HR.

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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post #2

Another link: http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2016/11/15/wal-mart-tell... Interesting: Wal-Mart has instructed store managers to tell their employees that the app wasn't made by the company and described it as a scheme to gather workers' personal information, according to a document viewed by The Wall Street Journal.

That's totally unsurprising to hear. Wal-Mart apparently defaults to portraying unions as pure evil. I don't know what the current procedure is like, but they used to make new hires watch laughably biased "educational" videos about unions. I don't remember the contents in detail, just that they roughly reminded me of '80s anti-drug PSAs/specials, with union organizers essentially taking the place of the "drug pusher" who wants to profit by ruining your life. Wal-Mart management, of course, takes the place of the wise parent/guardian who has your best interests at heart.

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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post #11

It's an illegal labor practice in the US for an employer to do that. It's interference with the right to bargain collectively. But WalMart probably doesn't have much to fear from the Labor Department. Even under the current administration, enforcement is weak, and it will probably be weaker under the next administration. It's really tough to organize a union today, even though the law as written is pro-union.

They're not interfering with the right to bargain collectively though. For all we know, they're genuinely warning their employees that they may be involved in a PII collection scam. They can't reprimand/dismiss you for using the app, but surely they can tell you it's unwise.

I don't see why people are so quick to tie Wal-Mart to the pyre; for what they pay, their employees are satisfied to an outsized degree. Given that they are the third largest employer, behind the DoD and the PLA, they've surely done something impressive in building one of the largest and most satisfied minimum-wage-or-thereabouts workforces in the world.

Obviously we can't take their statement at face value. We also can't take the union's statement at face value. Each party has its own interests. I'm sure anyone here who has dealt with a real union recognizes that nobody runs one because they love their industry's labourers. They are no less political than the corporations they bargain with.

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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post #14

Just to play devil's advocate here, this is from the article: > The app, called WorkIt, invites users to register by providing a name, email, telephone number and ZIP Code. Users can also s hare (sic) their job title and Wal-Mart store number.... That is a bunch of personally identifying information. You can easily steal somebody's identity with those bits of information, or at least have a good idea of who they are.…

It's not PII [1]. That's an actual legal term. Workit apparently wants worker identifying information, and Walmart, like other employers are free to tell their workers not to provide it, but there's no ethical or legal reason they can give to workers not to use it. It's not unlike GlassDoor - lots of companies would prefer you didn't use it, but at the employee level, the advantage/disadvantage ratio is pretty in you…

Your own link lists some of the collected data as PII.

Re: Wal-Mart Tells Workers: Don’t Download Labor Group’s Chat App

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post #11

It's an illegal labor practice in the US for an employer to do that. It's interference with the right to bargain collectively. But WalMart probably doesn't have much to fear from the Labor Department. Even under the current administration, enforcement is weak, and it will probably be weaker under the next administration. It's really tough to organize a union today, even though the law as written is pro-union.

They're not interfering with the right to bargain collectively though. For all we know, they're genuinely warning their employees that they may be involved in a PII collection scam. They can't reprimand/dismiss you for using the app, but surely they can tell you it's unwise. I don't see why people are so quick to tie Wal-Mart to the pyre; for what they pay, their employees are satisfied to an outsized degree. Given t…

It's certainly unwise to interpret their concern that charitably--it only has access to photos and it's a chat app. It has the same concerns any other chat app would have. They don't publish PSAs about texting.
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