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Time for a Rigorous National Debate About Surveillance

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Re: Time for a Rigorous National Debate About Surveillance

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No. Not really. And frankly, it scares me that this is even confusing to people.

That you probably are not in favor of strong gun rights, doesn't mean the situations don't have similarities.

Would it surprise you to learn that I am a gun owner?

Re: Time for a Rigorous National Debate About Surveillance

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> Those who voted for Trump - did you know you were going to get this? Of course we did, we know this next 4 years are going to be largely terrible and he will be a horrendous president. However sometimes before you can rebuild you need to burn the existing structure to the ground first. We're tired of the status quo and want significant change in how we're represented. Sometimes you have to endure a little pain befo…

> we know this next 4 years are going to be largely terrible and he will be a horrendous president. I heard the EXACT same thing said about President Obama. The results were debatable. > EDIT: I think the next round of house, senate and presidental campaigns/elections will be vastly different (for the better) than the last 20 years. You're projecting. Plenty of Americans are very happy with the way the elections went…

> Plenty of Americans are very happy with the way the elections went

I wasnt talking about Americans, both political parties were embarrassed and horrified at how the elections went. It's those people who are going to try harder. The Republican party is in shambles, and the DNC is embarrassed they lost what looked like a gimmie election by putting their weakest candidate in front.

Re: Time for a Rigorous National Debate About Surveillance

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> Those who voted for Trump - did you know you were going to get this? Of course we did, we know this next 4 years are going to be largely terrible and he will be a horrendous president. However sometimes before you can rebuild you need to burn the existing structure to the ground first. We're tired of the status quo and want significant change in how we're represented. Sometimes you have to endure a little pain befo…

>think the next round of house, senate and presidental campaigns/elections will be vastly different (for the better) than the last 20 years. Oh? How do you see this happening? Both parties are still here, alas.

> Both parties are still here, alas.

That is arguable. The RNC is in shambles, Trump came in and annihilated everyone in that party. Sure they are technically still here, but let's not say things are going according to plan.

Same for the DNC, they cheated their own party to put Hillary at the front of the pack in what looked like a freebie election and lost. Roasting Bernie, getting debate questions fed to her ahead of time, and they still lost. It looks bad they cheated their own party, but looks worse they cheated and still lost.

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