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Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by heisenbit »

Gys wrote: post #14
inimino wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On perfectly marked roads, in fair weather, with no bad behaviour seen from other drivers in the video. Impressive, but the technology has a long way to go yet before it can replace human drivers.

I do not understand why the focus on self driving is so much on the whole trip. 90 - 95% of the time I am driving long stretches, I spend on highways. No problem if only that part would be done selfdriving. Those few minutes in busy town centers I do not mind to do myself. No problem of driving short stretches (10 - 15 min) either.

You don't mind.

However statistics say that most of the accidents happen at the beginning or towards the end of the trip. There are environmental reasons (city vs. sub-urbs vs. cross-country) and there are human reasons.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by Zombieball »

Reading through Tesla blogs and watching this video, my understanding is the self driving hardware is cameras and ultrasonic sensors.

Does the lack of lidar not scare anyone else?

Also, Out of curiosity, does anyone know how a Tesla behaves if you point ultrasonic transducers in the same frequency at it? Do they have special modulation to avoid tampering in this manner? I imagine you could confuse the car into thinking there are barriers it can't see.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by robbrown451 »

mhomde wrote: post #76
tsaprailis wrote: post #4

There's also the longer (3:28) video with the Paint It Black theme: https://www.tesla.com/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware...

That's really weird choice, who are picking these songs? :) I can't imagine they've licensed the music either... I guess next up is the "Highway to Hell" video

I think the musical choices are awesome. It's so much better than choices that seem like all the marketing people debated in endless meetings who it might offend and so on. The company has some personality (cult of personality, maybe, but whatever :) )

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by mastax »

Zombieball wrote: post #212

Reading through Tesla blogs and watching this video, my understanding is the self driving hardware is cameras and ultrasonic sensors. Does the lack of lidar not scare anyone else? Also, Out of curiosity, does anyone know how a Tesla behaves if you point ultrasonic transducers in the same frequency at it? Do they have special modulation to avoid tampering in this manner? I imagine you could confuse the car into thinki…

> Does the lack of lidar not scare anyone else?

I don't think lacking lidar should be inherently scary, humans don't have lidar sensors either and they do well enough. I do hope that cheap solid state lidars do come to market to improve low visibility driving nonetheless.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by juancampa »

the8472 wrote: post #22

There seem to be some issues. E.g. it recognizes the joggers (0:55) as obstacles even though they're obviously (to a human) on the sidewalk. And when taking a right turn (1:01) it mistakes a hydrant and a parked car in a parking bay on the other side for an obstacle and stops for a moment before noticing that they're not actually in its lane. I think a polite driver may have slowed down gradually to not startle the j…

I would guess that the car couldn't predict the direction the joggers were moving in. They could be jogging towards the road. We as humans would know that they were running along the road because we see their backs but not necessarily from extrapolating their movement

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by robbrown451 »

As I watch all the views from the cameras, and watch how it is making decisions based on that information, I have to ask: who says a machine can't be conscious? Who says it can't have free will? How do you define those terms so that includes people and animals, but doesn't include this vehicle?

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by Animats »

A longer Tesla demo video with no cuts: [1] This one is at a consistent speed, about 3x normal, and it's worth playing at 1/3 speed to see what's happening. No freeway driving; it's driving around the Page Mill Road / Los Altos Hills area. This video shows an ahead view and three of the vehicle's cameras with their annotations. The system puts rectangular 2D boxes around things it recognizes.

Road centerline recognition seems good. Every road seems to have really clear centerline markings, though. Road edge recognition isn't always successful. Roadside obstacle recognition seems very dependent on recognizing cars and people. The system doesn't recognize a large trash can in the roadway until very close. Recognition of roadside traffic cones and barriers seems to be about 50%. Guard rails aren't recognized at all.

This has the look of something using deep neural networks trained on common obstacles. It doesn't look like something that profiles terrain.

[1] https://vimeo.com/192261894

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by shostack »

phee wrote: post #140
ajmurmann wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's inconveniencing other drivers on the road and much more importantly this erratic stopping from a human perspective might make it more likely to cause an accident. Granted the accident would legally be the meat driven car's fault who bumps into the suddenly stopped Tesla. It would still be nice to play well with human drivers who don't have the luxury of relaxing in a self driving car.

I agree, legal or not, I very much rely on other drivers "signals" when driving. Over the years you learn to predict what the driver in front of you would do in a normal situation and adjust your driving in advance. I'm still able to break on emergency but when you can clearly see way ahead of the car in front there is no obstacle and yet they still brake it's extremely risky and frustrating. Young drivers here usual…

I wish there were some external visual cue like a light or something to indicate a car is using autopilot. That way you could give them a wider buffer.

Re: Autopilot Full Self-Driving Demonstration [video]

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Post by grzm »

shostack wrote: post #218
phee wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, legal or not, I very much rely on other drivers "signals" when driving. Over the years you learn to predict what the driver in front of you would do in a normal situation and adjust your driving in advance. I'm still able to break on emergency but when you can clearly see way ahead of the car in front there is no obstacle and yet they still brake it's extremely risky and frustrating. Young drivers here usual…

I wish there were some external visual cue like a light or something to indicate a car is using autopilot. That way you could give them a wider buffer.

Maybe a pulsing red light, moving back and forth horizontally.
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