The trolley problem (Relevant to autopilot mode in cars)
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The trolley problem (Relevant to autopilot mode in cars)
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Re: The trolley problem (Relevant to autopilot mode in cars)
#2And the discussion wouldn't be complete without this link: https://www.facebook.com/TrolleyProblemMemes/
Re: The trolley problem (Relevant to autopilot mode in cars)
#3Relevant book: https://www.amazon.com/Would-You-Kill-Fat-Man/dp/0691154023/
Re: The trolley problem (Relevant to autopilot mode in cars)
#4And the discussion wouldn't be complete without this link: https://www.facebook.com/TrolleyProblemMemes/
And this guy solved the trolley problem in a very elegant way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N_RZJUAQY4
Re: The trolley problem (Relevant to autopilot mode in cars)
#5The most interesting variant of the problem:
"Suppose that a judge or magistrate is faced with rioters demanding that a culprit be found for a certain crime and threatening otherwise to take their own bloody revenge on a particular section of the community. The real culprit being unknown, the judge sees himself as able to prevent the bloodshed only by framing some innocent person and having him executed."
Re: The trolley problem (Relevant to autopilot mode in cars)
#6This is only interesting to think about, but this nuanced level of logic would not actually ever be programmed into self driving cars. Once you go past the avoid hitting things level, lawsuits from many vectors come into play, and high risks of false positives. The podcast Hello Internet covered this topic and I'm convinced this is far more relevant to one's personal prejudice in every day life.
Re: The trolley problem (Relevant to autopilot mode in cars)
#7The most interesting variant of the problem: " Suppose that a judge or magistrate is faced with rioters demanding that a culprit be found for a certain crime and threatening otherwise to take their own bloody revenge on a particular section of the community. The real culprit being unknown, the judge sees himself as able to prevent the bloodshed only by framing some innocent person and having him executed. "
Thinking it through, a person kind of develops a sense that all of the interesting things, in this branch of thought experiments, tend to shake out, postmortem.
In the heat of the moment, what seems like a plausible bargain threatens to reveal grotesque details amid the wreckage.
So, the trolley problem itself usually becomes most interesting when inspecting the identities of any casualties. e.g. What about famous people? What about small children?
In this case, the scenario becomes threatening with the possibility of proving that the condemned was sacrificed only to placate mob rule. e.g. What if the real criminal is found later, somehow?
Acting with a tendency to ignore the postmortem consequences is probably how a machine will operate. They don't have reputation. They don't consult emotion to inform their decisions.
A machine might not question which teddy bear was the most favorite teddy bear, when organizing a garage sale.
Re: The trolley problem (Relevant to autopilot mode in cars)
#8The most interesting variant of the problem: " Suppose that a judge or magistrate is faced with rioters demanding that a culprit be found for a certain crime and threatening otherwise to take their own bloody revenge on a particular section of the community. The real culprit being unknown, the judge sees himself as able to prevent the bloodshed only by framing some innocent person and having him executed. "
But the one that seems the easiest to explain away; he would be trading bloodshed for justice. The rioters are effectively taking a section of the community hostage.
Re: The trolley problem (Relevant to autopilot mode in cars)
#9This isn't relevant to autopilot in cars, it's just fear mongering.
Humans have driven cars for a century now and animal-driven vehicles for millennia before that. I have yet to find a single documented case of the trolley problem occurring in real life with a vehicle. This simply is a problem which does not exist.
Re: The trolley problem (Relevant to autopilot mode in cars)
#10The most interesting variant of the problem: " Suppose that a judge or magistrate is faced with rioters demanding that a culprit be found for a certain crime and threatening otherwise to take their own bloody revenge on a particular section of the community. The real culprit being unknown, the judge sees himself as able to prevent the bloodshed only by framing some innocent person and having him executed. "
not really, we don't negotiate with terrorists. This scenario will play out in one way in the real world lol.