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How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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Only a year or so into my career I started getting pain in my upper right back from using a mouse. I tried various adjustments to my desk/chair setup but eventually it got to the point where I couldn't use the mouse with my right arm anymore without unbearable pain and it would linger when I wasn't working.

I was able to solve the problem completely by starting to use a trackball with my left arm. I still use a mouse with the right when precision is necessary but 90% of the time I use the left and trackball.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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This article is totally missing the basics. Exercise. I promise it will make ALL the difference. Get yourself a pull-up bar, and if you're feeling extra fancy, a dip bar. Push-ups, pull-ups, dips, and sit-ups. Every day. You'll be a coding machine. At the VERY least, push-ups. Every hour or two, take a break, knock off ten push-ups, walk around a bit, get some water, get back to work. I'll do this right at the office…

This is consistent with my experience as well.

My post became longer than I expected to write

TL;DR: Similar problems, fixed diet, lost a bunch of weight, started exercising daily after achieving normal weight, all problems thing of the past. True for > 5 years now.

Both of my wrists were broken in my youth, in separate incidents. To make matters worse, one didn't heal correctly and needed to be re-broken.

Until my late 20s I obsessively spent long sleepless days at the computer, all classic qwerty keyboards, either model M or classic thinkpads later. My wrists would bother me at the computer, but they also would hurt when it rained, or other random moments. When I would try do some push-ups, my wrists would hurt like hell before I got anywhere near the expected muscle fatigue. This was generally accepted as expected and how things would be forever (or worse) thanks to the broken bones, according to those I consulted (doctors and family).

Except I wasn't minding nutrition, physical activity, or sleep at all, and lived in an environment (fly-over state) with an unhealthy food culture and awful climate. Without making a conscious deliberate effort, the default outcome was to slowly become fat and sick.

Fortunately a startup relocated me to the bay area, where I discovered even walking up a mild hill had become a strenuous, exhausting activity. Having a great climate, accessible local produce that actually tasted good, and a newfound interest in enjoying a life beyond the keyboard with the abundant outdoor beauty and activities, improving these facets of life came easily and I dare say I played little role beyond cooperating.

For ~5 years now I've been doing 300-600 push-ups daily, two sets in the morning and two in the evening. My wrists never bother me, not during push-ups, not at the computer, my injuries are a forgotten memory that I'm only reminded of in threads like these. There's usually also some sets of ~12 hand-stand push-ups, and holding a hand-stand for a minute while doing leg-spreads against a wall.

The only reason I'm able to sustain this daily routine is my weight got down to ~165 (5'8") from ~225. This didn't result from exercise, just vastly improved nutrition fixed my weight. After my weight was normal, the activity started because it was easy, fun, and painless. Words can't describe the pleasure of doing calisthenics with a body 25% lighter than it used to be. My experience exercising now is a daily celebration of being alive and well, and the feedback these activities provide keep my life in check.

I've also noticed that as I became stronger and more adept at push-ups, I was less abusive to my wrist joints and instead distributed the weight across my fingers and even slightly elevated the heel of my palm rather than leaving the area inactive (letting the wrist joint just take up all the abuse as I repeatedly drove my weight into the floor through it.) This wasn't possible for a long time because all the other muscles had to develop and catch up to the chest which was always capable of doing 20-30.

For those of you saying your wrists are ruined from daily push-ups, I'm dubious of your claims. My wrists seem to only become more resilient as I do more push-ups. If you're overweight, have gout, or something else caused by poor nutrition then you should probably address that instead of ceasing the activities altogether. There are more or less abusive techniques to push-ups, and if you're doing them daily in large quantities, you should be able to develop a painless technique, be nicer to your joints by activating the muscles in the area.

My $.02.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“RSI” from typing too much in an uncomfortable way or using bad equipment is too serious to brush off. For anyone reading here, if you’re regularly feeling any level of pain while typing, take an immediate break to figure out what’s wrong. If you let it persist it can do you serious damage. There are a number of ways you can relieve your symptoms. Scale back your typing and keep trying ideas until the pain goes away.…

>“RSI” from typing too much in an uncomfortable way or using bad equipment is too serious to brush off. The article wasn't brushing off RSI, just pointing out that none of those things worked for him, and that emotional stress and cold seemed to be the major factors. I certainly agree that you should look into ergonomics, but additionally you should definitely consider emotional stress, as there is ample evidence tha…

I didn’t suggest that the OP was brushing off RSI. I was talking about the somewhat dismissive tone of the poster I was directly responding to. It would be a shame for someone to read such a post and think, “Oh, RSI is an umbrella label for many things. Nobody knows just what my problem is. I’d better just tough through it.” Or similar. Umbrella label or no, RSI is serious business, and can severely impact people’s lives/careers.

I agree with you that features discussed in the OP like being too cold or having emotional stress in your life could contribute to the problem.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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This article is totally missing the basics. Exercise. I promise it will make ALL the difference. Get yourself a pull-up bar, and if you're feeling extra fancy, a dip bar. Push-ups, pull-ups, dips, and sit-ups. Every day. You'll be a coding machine. At the VERY least, push-ups. Every hour or two, take a break, knock off ten push-ups, walk around a bit, get some water, get back to work. I'll do this right at the office…

I agree with this from first hand experience. I started working out with machines. It helped. I started working out with barbells. It helped more. I started working out with free weights. It helped even more. I started boxing. It fixed my RSI right up. The pattern: the most intensive and freeest exercises have the greatest effect.

Boxing is not a particularly wise choice for an engineer or any other particularly cerebral occupation.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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I cured chronic back pain that I have been suffering for a decade with Calcium and Magnesium supplements. They are cheap - 1 dollar for 20 effervescent pills - and make me feel 10-15 years younger. Another benefit is better sleep (no more chronic tiredness) and less anxiety.

If you have chronic pain check out Ca and Mg - they are essential for muscles. My discovery was by chance, I have been going to doctors, gym, yoga and massage for years with no results. Even run blood tests and they still didn't catch it. Now, I can tell by the feeling in my body when I need a Calcium.

TL;DR - Calcium is for muscle pain. Magnesium is for better sleep, chronic tiredness and anxiety.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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post #71

This article is totally missing the basics. Exercise. I promise it will make ALL the difference. Get yourself a pull-up bar, and if you're feeling extra fancy, a dip bar. Push-ups, pull-ups, dips, and sit-ups. Every day. You'll be a coding machine. At the VERY least, push-ups. Every hour or two, take a break, knock off ten push-ups, walk around a bit, get some water, get back to work. I'll do this right at the office…

Last year I got into lifting for the first time ever (I'm 35). I got on a program, just doing a couple of heavy compound lifts three days a week, and the change for me has been night and day. It doesn't take much time to learn how to do it correctly, and it's a lot more fun than running. All those aches and pains have gone away. Seriously, I can't recommend enough getting into lifting.

My BF is doing CrossFit,and his back pain rarely comes back now.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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This article is totally missing the basics. Exercise. I promise it will make ALL the difference. Get yourself a pull-up bar, and if you're feeling extra fancy, a dip bar. Push-ups, pull-ups, dips, and sit-ups. Every day. You'll be a coding machine. At the VERY least, push-ups. Every hour or two, take a break, knock off ten push-ups, walk around a bit, get some water, get back to work. I'll do this right at the office…

> Push-ups, pull-ups, dips, and sit-ups. Every day. You'll be a coding machine. At the VERY least, push-ups. ehhhh... years of daily pushups contributed to the slow shredding of cartilage in my wrist and two operations before i could type again. but > walk around a bit, get some water, [...] SLEEP. this. can't stress enough.

I'll second that. Push ups can make wrist problems worse if not done carefully. Do them on your fists or holding a bar instead of palms flat down to reduce unnatural bending of your wrist.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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post #81

RSI is one of those things (ADHD, autism and dyslexia are other examples) that start as a label some scientist puts on a specific set of symptoms that cannot (currently) be linked to a specific condition [1], becomes popular and then get used for a zillion things with more or less the same symptoms (Wikipedia lists edema, tendinosis, tendinitis, carpal tunnel syndrome, cubital tunnel syndrome, De Quervain syndrome, t…

Reddit has arrived: a plausibly researched answer that's so far off base it pains me. Physician here, and my wife is an occupational therapist. RSI is like saying you have a cold. Yes, there is a problem, no it's not specific, but it gets us to the right chapter of the book. Some of the things you list have very specific causes and treatments that have nothing to do with RSI. The article would be more like a case rep…

There's also the fact that OP has affiliate tags and is monetizing the links to Amazon to buy that book.
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