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Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by aalbertson »

flueedo wrote: post #373
schiffern wrote: post #357

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>Free, Not free according to Musk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHeZHyOnsm4&t=12m37s > Well it can't be free. Because then we'll, like, we'll go out of business. [laugh] > No, no, it can't be free to the user. I don't think so. > This would be... this would cost a lot to build. Ultimately over time to build the full version of the system, we're talking about something that would be 10 or 15 billion dollars to crea…

15 billion to develop and deploy to space over four thousand satelites (not ignoring the fact that developing the prototype costs orders of magnitude more than simply assemblying the rest) seems like a gross underestimation...

Elon Musk != Donald Trump. When he makes statements/estimations, even if they prove significantly conservative, they are truly grounded in verifiable facts.

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by Consultant32452 »

EthanHeilman wrote: post #420
Consultant32452 wrote: post #205

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Nah, those 18-25 year olds are ignorant idiots too. And when they get older they'll start voting conservative just like their parents generation. One anecdote about how ignorant they are... on three separate occasions I had a conversation with a Hillary supporter about her having destroyed subpoenaed evidence. Each of those three cited a factcheck.org article that stated in its third paragraph that she had in fact de…

>How many of them knew Hillary literally created the Syrian refugee crisis in a failed attempt at a coup? Not a single one I talked to. There is no evidence that Clinton backed or supported a coup in Syria. The US did support elements of a popular uprising in Syria during the Arab spring, and then provided and continues to provide military support to Anti-Assad factions after Assad viciously cracked down on the upris…

The CIA trained, armed, and radicalized the Syrians to fan the flames of the "popular uprising" in Syria. Then, Iran and Russia came to the aid of their ally and the coup failed. Those Syrians migrated to Iraq and formed ISIS which is now active in over 30 countries. Of course, now that the coup has failed the Pentagon is backing Assad because... well I honestly don't know why.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-cia-pentagon-i...

>Srian militias armed by different parts of the U.S. war machine have begun to fight each other on the plains between the besieged city of Aleppo and the Turkish border, highlighting how little control U.S. intelligence officers and military planners have over the groups they have financed and trained in the bitter five-year-old civil war.

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by kilroy123 »

operon wrote: post #454
charlesdm wrote: post #439

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I have a property developer friend who had the idea to create a sort of luxury village in Southern France where successful people from the arts / entrepreneurs etc could meet. People that had achieved financial independence and weren't "part of the system". Sort of like a safe enclave to exchange ideas. He did well + things were progressing, but during the financial crisis in 2007 banks pulled out (€50m in loans) of…

I think that there are a good number of people that would be interested, plus some companies. I can imagine a safe place for innovation and experimentation away from dumb regulations and government interference. Maybe a good model is trough private capital much like a startup. How many companies and wealthy individuals would not like to have a safe heaven for work and living where you have plenty of space and intact…

I would be interested.

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Post by kilroy123 »

mpg33 wrote: post #132

Am I the only one that thinks Elon Musk is scattered and overextended? Literally a new grand idea every few months..

Nope. I think that all the time as well. He rushes way too much and he tries to do too many things. It's infiltrating to me because I want him to suceed. He needs to slow down, IMO.

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Post by cloudsloth »

manachar wrote: post #128
katzgrau wrote: post #7

Free, global internet access is the next step toward a smarter, more progressive planet. I don't even care about the speed - if the only thing users could access was wikipedia, I'd still personally donate to the project. I cannot emphasize how important democratizing knowledge is to me (and many others).

Spreading true (well, at least less wrong) information is a noble goal. Unfortunately, I'm not sure we're not seeing such information availability providing avenues towards a smarter, more progressive planet. Instead, the internet seems to be helping people create cocoons of ignorance and "evidence" to support even the most specious claims - such as the world being flat. Knowledge does not seem to be enough. Wisdom a…

I share your skepticism of the (inherent) potential of the internet. It's not a popular belief and I haven't seen a good solution... But in the mean time I watch as everyone heralds the dawn of the information age, awaiting the death of ignorance and bigotry... and I suspect we will find ourselves in a dark place in ten years wishing we had realized how much work we should have done because this gigantic confounding tool is just a tool and like all tools is not a neutral force. A tool's effects in history are those that its use/existence tends to promote.

I'm not sure discussions of a free and equal internet approach something that will be a net good.

I think there's ample evidence that the internet is really most similar to TV.

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Post by spacewhale »

wscott wrote: post #393
schiffern wrote: post #357

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>Free, Not free according to Musk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHeZHyOnsm4&t=12m37s > Well it can't be free. Because then we'll, like, we'll go out of business. [laugh] > No, no, it can't be free to the user. I don't think so. > This would be... this would cost a lot to build. Ultimately over time to build the full version of the system, we're talking about something that would be 10 or 15 billion dollars to crea…

>And this is intended to generate a significant amount of revenue You gotta appreciate the honesty. It is so unusual that we still look at this trying to see the angles.

>You gotta appreciate the honesty...

It is easy to be honest when the implication is that the money will be used to fund "Mars colonies", and won't be used for his private comforts.

Only that every business operate on a similar premise.

"Oh, we just need more revenue so that we can build a bigger shop for you where you can buy more stuff with less effort!"

The world wont be saved by going to Mars or going electric. The world will be saved by fixing "people". Because that is what is hopelessly broken at the core.

But no one will do it because people being broken, is the foundation stone of our current system of existence and it gets no one excited as going to mars or some bullshit "idea" like hyperloop or ubeam...

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Post by dmihal »

schiffern wrote: post #357
katzgrau wrote: post #7

Free, global internet access is the next step toward a smarter, more progressive planet. I don't even care about the speed - if the only thing users could access was wikipedia, I'd still personally donate to the project. I cannot emphasize how important democratizing knowledge is to me (and many others).

>Free, Not free according to Musk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHeZHyOnsm4&t=12m37s > Well it can't be free. Because then we'll, like, we'll go out of business. [laugh] > No, no, it can't be free to the user. I don't think so. > This would be... this would cost a lot to build. Ultimately over time to build the full version of the system, we're talking about something that would be 10 or 15 billion dollars to crea…

There was an article on HN at some point talking about how GPS is one of the first free-for-everyone services ever.

GPS requires maintaining an array of satellites, but governments have decided that footing the bill for maintenance is worth it to give the whole planet access to GPS.

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Post by ZenoArrow »

nogbit wrote: post #466
babyrainbow wrote: post #275

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Sadly, this is a naive view, and perpetuated by people who wants to push more ad channels in the name of "empowering" communities... Access to information does not mean consumption. If you give access to internet to 100 people, 99 of them will use it for Facebook or Porn. 1. If you have enough motivation, learning about anything was already possible even before Internet (local libraries and resources) 2. If you don't…

One day people will grok that this "addictive/useless chitchat" is not good for them for any number of reasons. But in no way should anyone decide for anyone else how they should spend their time. You could empower thousands in the way you suggest and still end up with hundreds that simply just want to just go do a goods day of work and come home to family, beer and video games. Providing access to the Internet will…

> "addictive/useless chitchat"

That's been part of our culture for a huge amount of time, widespread gossip and idle speculation didn't start in the era of modern technology.

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Post by mirimir »

mirimir wrote: post #460
hackuser wrote: post #451

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There are publicly active fringe groups of all sorts. You can join the Communist Party too.

I got the sense that this was far more than fringe.

And to expand/clarify, my point is that racism and xenophobia have been widespread among European-Americans since colonization. And they remain so, and not just in the "red states". Elsewhere, they're just hidden, especially by men from women. KKK may be a fringe, but there's a broad resonance. Consider, for example, that Harvard University professor Henry Louis Gates, Jr. was arrested for breaking into his own house!

Anyway, the Trump team has now somehow made European-Americans more racist and xenophobic. They just did an outstanding job with the Wallace strategy. Wallace was appealing to blue-collar union members in the North. But now unions are largely gone, and that demographic is either unemployed, or earning minimum wage. And arguably, that has exacerbated racism and xenophobia. Pushback against globalization and the concentration of wealth.

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Post by 7952 »

imw wrote: post #267
adnzzzzZ wrote: post #239

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Breitbart is far from a fringe community. Just because you didn't see it growing dramatically over the past few years it doesn't mean they have a small audience.

Just because they're numerous doesn't mean they're not a lunatic fringe.

Surely the entirety of poltics is about fringe people pushing policies. We have just got used to the main parties and normalised them.
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