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How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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My senior year of university I suddenly became unable to click a mouse. Perfectly fine before, and I loved using mice for normal work and things like First Person Shooters.

But suddenly the curling "clicking" movement of my index finger stared causing extreme pain. Still does, to this day, even making that movement in the air. Typing is fine for some reason.

Transitioned to full-time TrackPoint use (USB ThinkPad keyboard), or TrackPad on my Macbook when I'm not at my desk.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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I had to quit programming for six years because of an RSI. In attempt to get around it, I even spent a year and half (painfully) writing a new kind of 'higher level' text editor better for use with motion sensors [1]. Now it's been ten years, and I still don't exactly know what the cause was/is, though I've got it to a point now where it's at least tolerable. I think the most confusing factor here is the (potential)…

Sarno's program completely cured my RSI. My highly-regarded surgeon was ready to operate for cubital tunnel, which had been getting progressively worse for about 2 years. I was to the point that I would feel pain all the time while typing, and had some tingling/numbness. I was concerned about surgery, so I decided to try some alternatives first, and the stuff from Sarno was amazing. It was scary as hell to just tell myself that the pain wasn't real, and that I wasn't hurting myself, but I figured it was worth a shot.

It's been 10 years since then. I now have zero problems, no special exercises, no ergonomic keyboards, chairs, desks, etc. I also regularly play ARPGs like Diablo 3 and Path of Exile, which make most people with RSI cringe.

I agree that Sarno's framework is not perfect. I'm not sure I buy his explanations as to why it works, but it does work. The key is that there is a huge mental component to RSI (or, at least, to some cases of RSI) that most people don't acknowledge. The monitoring/worrying about damaging yourself does something to those muscles/tendons that builds up over time.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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I bought a power cage and a barbell so I could lift in my basement. Wasn't a huge fan of the gym either. Never enough squat racks, and I felt bad locking one down for an hour.

What are you doing at a squat rack for an hour?

If you're lifting heavy and/or high volume, and warming up properly, you can easily spend an hour in the squat rack. Especially if you're older.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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My experience is that vertical keyboards only alleviate some problems and even cause new ones. They do relieve pressure from the ulna and radius being in a twisted position and they obviously relieve pressure from the side of the hands. On the downside, they put strain on the shoulders and neck since the arm is held freely in the air for prolonged time. Vertical keyboards also don't help with issues due to spreading…

Get a better chair with adjustible armrests lifted to desk height so your elbow is always supported.

I had the problem despite of arm rests. Keeping the hands in a lifted position was the problem, moreover even a slightly bad pose caused my hands to bend downwards to reach the keys, which is also suboptimal. Armrests themselves are not optimal for supporting the arm because the surface area is small and hence the pressure is high.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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post #130
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a power cage and a barbell so I could lift in my basement. Wasn't a huge fan of the gym either. Never enough squat racks, and I felt bad locking one down for an hour.

What are you doing at a squat rack for an hour?

I personally do squats, OHP, and pullups in there, and have seen people bench and deadlift in a rack as well. Easy to fill an hour in a rack.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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I had to quit programming for six years because of an RSI. In attempt to get around it, I even spent a year and half (painfully) writing a new kind of 'higher level' text editor better for use with motion sensors [1]. Now it's been ten years, and I still don't exactly know what the cause was/is, though I've got it to a point now where it's at least tolerable. I think the most confusing factor here is the (potential)…

Another Sarno cure checking in. I had debilitating "RSI" for two years. Read The Mindbody Connection by Sarno and within just a few days I was feeling much better. Within a couple of weeks I was virtually back to normal. It's been almost two years now since my recovery and I am doing great. I would highly recommend Dr. Sarno's books to anyone with "RSI".

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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After suffering from a severe RSI, involving wrist pain, numb fingers and months of physical therapy. This is what worked for me:

- If you are in pain, stop what you are doing. Be it working, stretching or exercising.

- Keep your wrists straight using a wrist brace, at day and night, until the pain goes away. There are soft braces specific for night use. One for day use that is not invasive is: https://www.amazon.com/BRACE-RCA-Treatment-Support-Regular/d...

- You can test your wrist posture by putting a pencil on your wrist. Your wrist should be straight. I emphasize this because it's one of the most contributing factors to RSI.

- Therapy alternatives include: physical therapy, medication, acupuncture. I did not try the acupuncture personally. Physical therapy was greatly useful, especially the stretches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAKOpnqvttI

- Use the right keyboard. A short keyboard helps your elbows, a mechanical keyboard helps your fingers. Ergonomic keyboards as well as vertical keyboards did not yield results for me. Even when used under the supervision of an ergonomist.

- Exercise does help. Muscles comes in pairs. Typing makes you contract your muscles more than you extend them, creating a muscle imbalance that contributes to carpal tunnel syndrome. These products help: https://www.amazon.com/PROCIRCLE-Finger-Stretcher-Resistance... , and when you need more: https://www.amazon.com/Strengtheners-rehabilitation-Equipmen...

Finally, see this as an investment. To be injured for life will put your career in jeopardy. Invest in your health.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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I've found the "Time Out" mac app helpful to force myself to take breaks and stretch/stand/rest-eyes periodically. I disabled the Skip button recently which has been a bit annoying but valuable.

Also, years ago I started using a trackball mouse instead of a normal mouse (or the laptop trackpad which is the worst for my wrist). It has helped a ton.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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I had to quit programming for six years because of an RSI. In attempt to get around it, I even spent a year and half (painfully) writing a new kind of 'higher level' text editor better for use with motion sensors [1]. Now it's been ten years, and I still don't exactly know what the cause was/is, though I've got it to a point now where it's at least tolerable. I think the most confusing factor here is the (potential)…

I started having back issues about five years ago. It got so bad that getting out of bed in the morning was a struggle. I was diagnosed with a herniated disc at L4/L5. I tried chiropractic, acupuncture, and massage therapy to no avail. Then I came across one of Sarno's books. I remembered Howard Stern singing his praises years ago on his show, so I decided to at least give it a shot. I was very skeptical, but within the first twenty pages Sarno had described my situation to a tee. I started following his advice and saw immediate results. I was back to running and doing yoga within a few days and a couple weeks later I was back in the gym doing dead lifts. Aside from an occasional flare up during stressful periods, I haven't had any issues since then.

However, I don't agree with Sarno's view that the mind uses pain as a diversion from psychological or emotional issues. I think it uses to pain as a way to get our attention, to let us know that we need to deal with those underlying issues.

Re: How I stopped the RSI pain that almost destroyed my programming career

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This article is totally missing the basics. Exercise. I promise it will make ALL the difference. Get yourself a pull-up bar, and if you're feeling extra fancy, a dip bar. Push-ups, pull-ups, dips, and sit-ups. Every day. You'll be a coding machine. At the VERY least, push-ups. Every hour or two, take a break, knock off ten push-ups, walk around a bit, get some water, get back to work. I'll do this right at the office…

I agree that exercise and sleep are keys, but I do believe chronically cold hands is a serious problem that needed to be remedied.

I get cold hands - more appropriately, a cold right hand - if I'm using a wired mouse. A wireless mouse keeps my hand warm.

That said, the suggestion about fingerless gloves is spot-on. Some folks just get cold easier: For me, cold hands could just be related to hormones (female here). Chronic due to the recurring nature of it all, but seriously not a big deal.

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