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The End of Identity Liberalism

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Re: The End of Identity Liberalism

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Was identity politics a concrete thing or a construction? It seems HRC bet her entire campaign on that and it backfired spectacularly. Were they hoping that it would catch on? Based on what evidence?

Probably just hoping the Obama coalition would just automatically flow over to her, with no specific outreach on her part.

Most of them did (the biggest share of popular votes) just not quite enough to win the Electoral College.

Re: The End of Identity Liberalism

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Also, the AltRight is explicitly about adopting identity politics for the white majority.

"I care about us more. That's all I'm saying. But I respect identitarians of other races. And I actually can see eye to eye with them in a way that your average conservative can't."

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/17/502476139/were-not-going-away-...

And of course, many are arguing Trump's campaign was an appeal to white identity, although I realize a lot of Trump voters take issue with that characterization.

Re: The End of Identity Liberalism

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Let's not start the funeral quite yet. It can also be argued that this year was a probabilistic outlier: Archie Bunker Conservatism played their last lottery ticket and improbably won. A last dying gasp before the country's measurable, inevitable demographic changes continue on their way towards obsoleting its political views.

Re: The End of Identity Liberalism

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The failure is the liberals overexerting the intersectionality into that those of "FORCED intersectionality".

America and the people are always about "UNFORCED intersectionality".

Yet, the Democrats will continue their 9-year slide at representation until they get this.

Re: The End of Identity Liberalism

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Let's not start the funeral quite yet. It can also be argued that this year was a probabilistic outlier: Archie Bunker Conservatism played their last lottery ticket and improbably won. A last dying gasp before the country's measurable, inevitable demographic changes continue on their way towards obsoleting its political views.

Not sure if you read it, but the article argues against this exact point. The longer a demographic is a part of the American political process, the more politically diverse (and less predictable) they become. The article gives the remarkably high percentage of latinos who voted for Trump.

Re: The End of Identity Liberalism

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Also, the AltRight is explicitly about adopting identity politics for the white majority. "I care about us more. That's all I'm saying. But I respect identitarians of other races. And I actually can see eye to eye with them in a way that your average conservative can't." http://www.npr.org/2016/11/17/502476139/were-not-going-away-... And of course, many are arguing Trump's campaign was an appeal to white identity, al…

The term "alt right" is used so inconsistently by the media, the term has become nearly meaningless.

There appear to be many people who consider themselves 'alt right' who have no interest in 'white identity.'

Re: The End of Identity Liberalism

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Also, the AltRight is explicitly about adopting identity politics for the white majority. "I care about us more. That's all I'm saying. But I respect identitarians of other races. And I actually can see eye to eye with them in a way that your average conservative can't." http://www.npr.org/2016/11/17/502476139/were-not-going-away-... And of course, many are arguing Trump's campaign was an appeal to white identity, al…

I know a number of people who proudly adopt the label, none of whom had even heard of Richard Spencer before NPR and the like started talking him up. I haven't been able to find anyone who even knows anyone who thinks it's accurate to call Richard Spencer the, or even a, leader of the alt-right.

If anyone can fairly be said to stand in that role, it'd be Milo Yiannopoulos, so I suppose it's not entirely unreasonable that someone at NPR confused his picture for that of Spencer and stuck it on the linked transcript. On the other hand, it's not reasonable to call Yiannopoulos a white supremacist, either, so overall I'm not sure what to make of the piece, except to say that I'd think twice about taking it at face value. There is a great deal of nuance here which NPR has no reason to represent fairly, and every reason not to.

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I honestly believe Obama largely steered clear of identity politics, which is why he won the Presidency twice. He came onto the national scene in the 2004 Democratic National Convention with a lyrical speech about all of the things shared by both people in the "Blue States" and the "Red States". "The pundits, the pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue States: red states for Republicans, b…

I can imagine Team Obama is very very upset at how Clinton lost. I can also remember the 2008 primaries, and how Team Obama seemed to be, in many ways, the opposite of Team Clinton.

Re: The End of Identity Liberalism

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Let's not start the funeral quite yet. It can also be argued that this year was a probabilistic outlier: Archie Bunker Conservatism played their last lottery ticket and improbably won. A last dying gasp before the country's measurable, inevitable demographic changes continue on their way towards obsoleting its political views.

Interesting that people are looking forward to racism.

Re: The End of Identity Liberalism

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The intent of "identity liberalism" (an awful neologism: I'd prefer "identity emphatic") is to try to end otherization of out-groups. But Lilla's point is right on. The result is often divisive rather than inclusive. My white uncle is famous for saying "You should never discriminate against people because they're different. But why do those people keep coming over here?" o_0

I'm not sure why you chose to mock your unvle after your first paragraph. Am I missing your /s tag or are you missing the irony

.. of calling your uncle your white uncle. why is that so important to have it his main attribute?

.. of emphasizing those people - was that really his emphasis or is it rather you who turns around his words into something he didn't say?

.. of not trying to understand his point, rather to immediately accuse him of bigotry. I read it as a dissatisfaction with economical migration when already many domestic people (who have basically a lot of sunken cost in this society) are left behind. I read his first sentance as an assurance that he doesn't care about race or ethnicity, rather, it's natural in-group vs. out-group thinking. If anyone who does that is a bigot, then boy, everyone is a bigot sometime - and the distinction is meaningless.

So if you weren't sarcastic I suggest rereading the article.

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