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Silicon Valley Helped Create Trump, and That’s Bad for It

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Re: Silicon Valley Helped Create Trump, and That’s Bad for It

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Post by dethswatch »

pg314 wrote: post #20
dethswatch wrote: post #17

"... the anger and misinformation of the voters who helped propel him to the presidency." And we start off with insults and dismissal-- the reason she didn't win and that the Times is reviled for its reporting by various groups.

This is an opinion piece. There is a difference between opinion pieces and reporting, a distinction that lots of people seem to be missing recently. You shouldn't revile a newspaper's reporting based on its opinion pieces.

I full well understand the distinction. And normally, I'd agree with you, however, in this case, I feel his opinions and points are indicative of the larger NYT itself, and even after such a surprise drubbing, they continue to ignore reality with hope of assuaging their feelings-- 'surely it can't be we that are wrong...'

The Times went so far out of their way to torpedo Trump and promote his opponent that Solzberger Jr had to remind everyone that they are dedicated to impartiality (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/us/elections/to-our-reader...).

We wait, with anticipation, the results of this renewal.

Re: Silicon Valley Helped Create Trump, and That’s Bad for It

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Post by chris11 »

rokosbasilisk wrote: post #12

No the nytimes helped elect trump by refusing to admit his chances were much higher since the beginning, and trying to hide clintons flaws. This is an article I expect to see on gawker not a legit newspaper.

I'm not sure I would say that the nytimes was hiding how well Trump was doing. Trump did not do well in most polls, Clinton was usually ahead and did win the popular vote. The election results weren't really expected. It would have been nice if the nytimes had been able to see through the bad data, but I think that was more of a problem with the bad data than any political leanings.

Re: Silicon Valley Helped Create Trump, and That’s Bad for It

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Post by cgvgffyv »

pg314 wrote: post #19
petre wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It probably became fake news when we stopped buying the NYT in print. Now it's mostly fake news because they give out 10 fake news items per month and expect me and you and everyone else to pay for the "real" news so they can run their news outlet. But then we won't so then they'll just accept money from anyone with an agenda.

> But then we won't so then they'll just accept money from anyone with an agenda. That is an extraordinary claim to make. Do you have any evidence to back that up?

You must be a blast at parties.

Re: Silicon Valley Helped Create Trump, and That’s Bad for It

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Post by [deleted] »

pg314 wrote: post #19
petre wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It probably became fake news when we stopped buying the NYT in print. Now it's mostly fake news because they give out 10 fake news items per month and expect me and you and everyone else to pay for the "real" news so they can run their news outlet. But then we won't so then they'll just accept money from anyone with an agenda.

> But then we won't so then they'll just accept money from anyone with an agenda. That is an extraordinary claim to make. Do you have any evidence to back that up?

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Re: Silicon Valley Helped Create Trump, and That’s Bad for It

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Post by narrowrail »

cgvgffyv wrote: post #23
pg314 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But then we won't so then they'll just accept money from anyone with an agenda. That is an extraordinary claim to make. Do you have any evidence to back that up?

You must be a blast at parties.

This is boiler-plate internet snark that one can find all over the web, but is typically looked at unfavorably on HN because it adds nothing to the discussion.

Re: Silicon Valley Helped Create Trump, and That’s Bad for It

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Post by 7402 »

MrZongle2 wrote: post #11
Kurimo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Governments censor. Private institutions editorialize. If the NYT chooses not to print an op-ed you send them, it is NOT censorship. If the United States government forces the NYT not to print your op-ed, it IS censorship. See the difference?

So what happens when the NYT prints a story that ends up being fabricated, or uses false (or fake) data to support an op-ed? In this brave, new world where "fake news" is filtered out, will the "truthy" organizations be given a free pass? That's my biggest concern. As it stands now, publications often do their best to bury retractions and corrections.

Well, the NYT actually hires a lot of good journalists. Good journalists actually try hard not to print fake news. It's sad that these are surprising concepts.

On page 2 of every (paper) issue of the Times, right under the table of contents, there's a section titled, "Corrections." That's also part of doing good journalism.

Re: Silicon Valley Helped Create Trump, and That’s Bad for It

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Post by angry-hacker »

shas3 wrote: post #6

We can't know whether fake news tilted the election towards Trump. There is no experiment or analysis that can conclusively dis/prove that hypothesis. NYT and others should be humble here. Sure, fake news is stupid, but so is claiming that it "helped elect Trump"

So is NYT fake news, their own echo chamber with no facts or research.

They just pull a popular headline and write what if... So what's the difference between these Macedonian boys making more money money with adsense? -- none. I give the latter more respect for succeeding.

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