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Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by mugsie »

cmcluck wrote: post #58
harlowja wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So being a PTL in OpenStack I have some various comments and questions that would be nice to have your thoughts on. In terms of looking at OpenStack hard; and reaching decisions based on various did you do any reach out to the OpenStack community to actually communicate the things you found or heard or concluded so that the group there (including myself) can actually work on improving itself (or perhaps some of the r…

A fair point. One thing worth remembering is that this was a point in time thing. I have seen a lot of movement and some very positive signals around convergence of OpenStack, and a real focus on the end user community. When I was doing the digging things felt different and there is a decent chance that were open stack where it is now I would have taken a different position. The mission of CNCF is the promotion of 'c…

So in the CNCF, are competing implementations allowed / encouraged?

For me that would have repercussions for what other tech a CNCF project supports (e.g. is all stats monitoring based on Prometheus, or can 2 projects in the CNCF support different technologies)

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by __monadic »

mugsie wrote: post #61
cmcluck wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A fair point. One thing worth remembering is that this was a point in time thing. I have seen a lot of movement and some very positive signals around convergence of OpenStack, and a real focus on the end user community. When I was doing the digging things felt different and there is a decent chance that were open stack where it is now I would have taken a different position. The mission of CNCF is the promotion of 'c…

So in the CNCF, are competing implementations allowed / encouraged? For me that would have repercussions for what other tech a CNCF project supports (e.g. is all stats monitoring based on Prometheus, or can 2 projects in the CNCF support different technologies)

Hi, I'm alexis richardson and chair of the TOC for CNCF. The answer is YES we allow competing implementations.

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by erikb »

manojlds wrote: post #29
erikb wrote: post #20

Isn't Kubernetes used 100% at Google, IBM etc? Isn't that already Enterprise? What is the market Heptio is targetting here?

Kubernetes is not used by Google. They have a whole different system - Borg and Omega. Google Cloud does offer hosted k8s though.

Still? That's really a surprise. So I guess even Google doesn't think Kubernetes is production ready yet?

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by mugsie »

__monadic wrote: post #62
mugsie wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So in the CNCF, are competing implementations allowed / encouraged? For me that would have repercussions for what other tech a CNCF project supports (e.g. is all stats monitoring based on Prometheus, or can 2 projects in the CNCF support different technologies)

Hi, I'm alexis richardson and chair of the TOC for CNCF. The answer is YES we allow competing implementations.

Cool.

Do you ask projects to support all the implementations or just choose one?

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by preillyme »

dmourati wrote: post #56
praveenster wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenStack has begun to feel more of a vendor marketplace with each of them trying to see if you can adopt their flavor. It looks somewhat similar to the large number of the Linux distros that were popular about 10 years ago, except that these are much more opinionated and have serious vendor lock-in possibilities since it relates to enterprise. Kubernetes, on the other hand feels like a harmonious and homogeneous sol…

I don't know. I got the same feeling at Kubecon with all the booths and their big signs promising to "solve enterprise devops" and "virtualize your network providing seamless connectivity."

I did as well.

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by woollyams »

cmcluck wrote: post #41
gtaylor wrote: post #17

Pardon me if this is somewhere right under my nose, but what is it that Heptio will actually do to "Bring Containers to Enterprise"? Will they maintain a commercial Kubernetes spin, ala Tectonic? Are they going to be mostly about consulting? Will they sell any add-ons?

[disclosure: Craig -- CEO] to name a few 1. support and services. this is a really important factor for most enterprises; they want to know they have expert staff on call who have a decent shot at getting a change they need upstreamed. 2. consolidation and operations at scale. turns out Kubernetes is being deployed as a 'devops tool' today and people create lots of teensy clusters. we built it to be super flexible an…

cmcluck: can you say more about the "advantages to running larger expert operated clusters"?

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by thockingoog »

cmcluck wrote: post #39
jbeda wrote: post #34

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It was me, Brendan and Craig McLuckie.

Story goes like this: Joe and I did Google Compute Engine together. Once that was on rails we started looking at the gap between GAE and GCE. Joe found Docker way back before it was a household name, and we started thinking hard about the 'compute continuum'. What beyond the container format was needed. Brendan was working in the meantime on something that looked like cloud formation that we were also playing with. W…

This was all in the Seattle office. From the Mountain View office, some of the Borg team had been muttering about "something something Borg as a service", but we really didn't know the first thing about cloud products. When we saw the first demos of what would become Kubernetes, we knew pretty quickly that this was the way. From that point on, the synergy was pretty electric.

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by thockingoog »

erikb wrote: post #63
manojlds wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kubernetes is not used by Google. They have a whole different system - Borg and Omega. Google Cloud does offer hosted k8s though.

Still? That's really a surprise. So I guess even Google doesn't think Kubernetes is production ready yet?

LOL. Borg is 13 years old, and has THOUSANDS of person-years of work in it. Kubernetes is less than 3 years old. Kubernetes is great, but Borg is a custom-built, totally proprietary system which is fully integrated in the Google ecosystem. You don't replace something like that in 2 years.

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by hueving »

__monadic wrote: post #62
mugsie wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So in the CNCF, are competing implementations allowed / encouraged? For me that would have repercussions for what other tech a CNCF project supports (e.g. is all stats monitoring based on Prometheus, or can 2 projects in the CNCF support different technologies)

Hi, I'm alexis richardson and chair of the TOC for CNCF. The answer is YES we allow competing implementations.

Do you allow competing APIs for the same service? If not, how is that any different from OpenStack? If so, how do you address the issue of fragmentation across deployments?

Re: Kubernetes Founders Launched Startup Heptio to Bring Containers to Enterprise

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Post by hueving »

praveenster wrote: post #30
gtirloni wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like OpenStack?

OpenStack has begun to feel more of a vendor marketplace with each of them trying to see if you can adopt their flavor. It looks somewhat similar to the large number of the Linux distros that were popular about 10 years ago, except that these are much more opinionated and have serious vendor lock-in possibilities since it relates to enterprise. Kubernetes, on the other hand feels like a harmonious and homogeneous sol…

Kubernetes has exactly the same issue. The core of openstack compute doesn't have much fragmentation, but all of the flavors come about when you snap in different deployment technologies, different storage backends, different networking backends, etc. Kubernetes is not prescriptive for any of these things either, so it will end up in exactly the same place as openstack with its current trajectory.
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