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I behave online with the understanding that my behaviour is essentially public. PS - how come all website product recommendations still suck? Data collection is rather ahead of data usage it seems...
> website product recommendations still suck Targeted advertising isn't about giving you good recommendations. It's about advertisers picking which demographic they want to influence. It may be presented as a "recommendation", but it's still an ad.
A demonstration of browser events used to monitor online behaviour
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Re: A demonstration of browser events used to monitor online behaviour
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Horrible dread? Can't say I do. If I get a relevant ad from a keyword in my email, that seems like a pretty minor event in my life.
You do know that the ad won't necessarily be relevant to you , right? The ads will be "relevant" according to the advertisers who think you're the kind of target they want to trick into buying their product. Regarding that "minor event": it is minor in isolation, but the point is that you are generating a large amount of those events that are being aggregated into databases where they are unlikely to be deleted. The…
Perhaps, but I don't really see the difference in the end. Anecdotally, I see ads for IntelliJ IDEA because I look up a lot of coding-related things. So does it matter that I'm getting this ad because Google's ad network has decided I like coding, or because IntelliJ selected some parameters and said "send this ad to coders"?
The goal of either operator would be to send me an ad they think I'm most likely to click on, and so from the user perspective it's indistinguishable where the ad is actually directed from.
>Regarding that "minor event": it is minor in isolation, but the point is that you are generating a large amount of those events that are being aggregated into databases where they are unlikely to be deleted.
Alright, here's the thing. I don't love the idea of tracking but I'm not repulsed by it either. I always see "tracking is evil!" as if it's the final say on the matter, especially on this website. But I've yet to see a convincing argument that it's something which I should be actively concerned about, or that it's something making my life worse in any way.
Often what I see is people using emotional words like "surveillance", when really we're talking about a computer algorithm that matches ads with interests groups. It inspires imagery of somebody watching you through your computer which I suspect is the point. This sort of language strikes me as hyperbolic, and in some cases dishonest.
I realize this is outside the scope of your original comment, but understand that when making claims like "tracking is evil", or some variation of that view, unless there's something tangible to point to and say "this is how it makes your life worse", it just doesn't register on my radar.
It might be easy to dismiss that view as short-sighted, but ultimately I consider it more pragmatic than placing ethical stances on what seems to be largely speculative concerns. Why would an ad company sell user data when that's their entire competitive advantage? In the case of Google (and I suspect most others), their privacy policy explicitly prohibit them from selling user data.
Ultimately I find that technology improves my life in many ways, and I try not to fear it unless I see a real cause for concern. And on this particular issue I haven't seen that yet.
Re: A demonstration of browser events used to monitor online behaviour
#123This reminded me that notch web game[1]. Both kept me interested and I find them a very pleasant form of art. [1] http://game.notch.net/drowning/
Surprised no one has mentioned Cookie Clicker yet, which I think was what inspired notch to write that game: http://orteil.dashnet.org/cookieclicker/ Notch's game was written in Dart and the source code is simple and elegant: http://ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-29/?action=preview&uid...
Re: A demonstration of browser events used to monitor online behaviour
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I wouldn't consider it bare minimum. Most of the web is broken with NoScript installed.
> Most of the web is broken with NoScript installed. More accurately, most of the web is broken, whether or not NoScript is installed — it's just that you can see that it's broken when NoScript is installed.
Re: A demonstration of browser events used to monitor online behaviour
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Honest question. I think, historically, most people have lived in very tight quarters, quite close to a lot of other people. Indeed, that's still true for many of us! Some of these very 'always nearby' people would be family members and/or greatly trusted, but even one layer beyond that would be a lot of people who we would consider acquaintances today. My question: isn't it possible that the amount of privacy some p…
This is true for many things though. Isn't it true that the level of healthcare available recently is rather anomalous, historically speaking? Or the quantity of food available? Technology can grant us advantages if we allow it. It can also take them away.
Re: A demonstration of browser events used to monitor online behaviour
#126This reminded me that notch web game[1]. Both kept me interested and I find them a very pleasant form of art. [1] http://game.notch.net/drowning/
This is fantastic. I got so caught up in trying to advance through the stages I ended up dead before i even knew it. It seems dumb to have not seen that coming but you seriously do get caught up in the small details of each requirement for each advancement that the big picture sort of fades away.
Who doesn't these days?
Re: A demonstration of browser events used to monitor online behaviour
#127Who else feels a sense of horrible dread and frustration that every minutiae of my (and your) online activity is recorded for eternity and exploited to the fullest extent? What are you going to do about it?
Honest question. I think, historically, most people have lived in very tight quarters, quite close to a lot of other people. Indeed, that's still true for many of us! Some of these very 'always nearby' people would be family members and/or greatly trusted, but even one layer beyond that would be a lot of people who we would consider acquaintances today. My question: isn't it possible that the amount of privacy some p…
In many parts of the world we have lived already about two hundred years with expectation to high level privacy.
Re: A demonstration of browser events used to monitor online behaviour
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Surprised no one has mentioned Cookie Clicker yet, which I think was what inspired notch to write that game: http://orteil.dashnet.org/cookieclicker/ Notch's game was written in Dart and the source code is simple and elegant: http://ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-29/?action=preview&uid...
Thanks for effectively killing my productivity with that cookie clicker game.
Re: A demonstration of browser events used to monitor online behaviour
#129Who else feels a sense of horrible dread and frustration that every minutiae of my (and your) online activity is recorded for eternity and exploited to the fullest extent? What are you going to do about it?
Honest question. I think, historically, most people have lived in very tight quarters, quite close to a lot of other people. Indeed, that's still true for many of us! Some of these very 'always nearby' people would be family members and/or greatly trusted, but even one layer beyond that would be a lot of people who we would consider acquaintances today. My question: isn't it possible that the amount of privacy some p…
I would posit both your and my "questions" are true. Does that truth make it any less worth fighting for? One might even argue, there is no such thing as freedom without privacy.
Re: A demonstration of browser events used to monitor online behaviour
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honest question. I think, historically, most people have lived in very tight quarters, quite close to a lot of other people. Indeed, that's still true for many of us! Some of these very 'always nearby' people would be family members and/or greatly trusted, but even one layer beyond that would be a lot of people who we would consider acquaintances today. My question: isn't it possible that the amount of privacy some p…
To state it another way: isn't it possible that the amount of freedom some people had in the last couple of centuries was rather anomalous? That our default level of freedom has always been very low? I would posit both your and my "questions" are true. Does that truth make it any less worth fighting for? One might even argue, there is no such thing as freedom without privacy .