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Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by hackuser »

mirimir wrote: post #377
cmurf wrote: post #285

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I'd hardly call white nationalism fringe, it's self evidently been here a long time although in the daily discourse it's been ignored, or wished it wasn't as overt as it is. Well, this election showed otherwise. But that is not the only factor. There are probably a dozen stewing issues and Trump managed to ride the coat tails of quite a few of them, not least of which is some people who didn't want Trump president co…

As recently as the 50s, there were publicly active KKK groups throughout the US. Or at least, that's what I've gathered, from talking with locals who were adults then. Edit: And there were (are?) "code words" for getting referrals. Some have even become everyday slang. But I've forgotten the specifics.

There are publicly active fringe groups of all sorts. You can join the Communist Party too.

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by cmurf »

hackuser wrote: post #449
cmurf wrote: post #285

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I'd hardly call white nationalism fringe, it's self evidently been here a long time although in the daily discourse it's been ignored, or wished it wasn't as overt as it is. Well, this election showed otherwise. But that is not the only factor. There are probably a dozen stewing issues and Trump managed to ride the coat tails of quite a few of them, not least of which is some people who didn't want Trump president co…

> I'd hardly call white nationalism fringe I'd absolutely call it fringe. It has a very tiny base of support. It is also on the political extreme - far to the right of the mainstream.

I see, so you think Trump's attorney general pick is a good choice? That's the guy who once said the KKK was OK until they started smoking marijuana. Is the attorney general just a fringe position in the government? It'll be fun to see if this AG convinces the DEA to enforce federal marijuana laws on the states where it's legal. Fun meaning, I think there's a lot of dissonance on both sides just how much acrimony this election is going to continue to create - the nightmare isn't over, it's just started.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/18/10...

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by hackuser »

leereeves wrote: post #249
hackuser wrote: post #225

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> I think you're overstating the effect of fringe communities on the internet. Some believe that fringe information was a major factor in the U.S. Presidential election. A leader of a fringe community is the chief political advisor to the most powerful person in the world-elect.

Somehow calling the chief political adviser to the most powerful person in the world-elect "fringe" doesn't seem accurate. Perhaps corporate media has defined the Overton window for so long that we've come to believe that they speak for the mainstream, even when millions of people send a clear message that that is not true.

Hitler and Lenin were fringe. I don't see a contradiction between fringe and power.

> Perhaps corporate media ...

There is so much confusion packed into that statement, it's hard to respond. All I'll say is that the election was in no way a mandate for racism. And why would anyone want to argue that it was?

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by operon »

charlesdm wrote: post #439
operon wrote: post #438

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Sure, this one in Chile is a good example: http://www.privateislandsonline.com/islands/isla-verdugo Has lakes, a small marina, but is far way from any big city. However, with gigabit internet and a bunch of interesting people it can become a very good place. If I had 2M on hand I would start a community there right now.

I have a property developer friend who had the idea to create a sort of luxury village in Southern France where successful people from the arts / entrepreneurs etc could meet. People that had achieved financial independence and weren't "part of the system". Sort of like a safe enclave to exchange ideas. He did well + things were progressing, but during the financial crisis in 2007 banks pulled out (€50m in loans) of…

I think that there are a good number of people that would be interested, plus some companies.

I can imagine a safe place for innovation and experimentation away from dumb regulations and government interference.

Maybe a good model is trough private capital much like a startup.

How many companies and wealthy individuals would not like to have a safe heaven for work and living where you have plenty of space and intact nature?

If Silicon Valley is at peril with Trump (according to some opinions), why not build a Silicon Island.

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by hackuser »

krige wrote: post #278
imw wrote: post #267

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Just because they're numerous doesn't mean they're not a lunatic fringe.

Just because you disagree with them doesn't mean they're any more lunatic than, say, Podesta.

It's not all relativism, subject to whatever people want to claim. Embracing an ideology of lies and hate fits the definition of lunatic, or close enough.

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by FilterSweep »

fmueller wrote: post #410
schiffern wrote: post #357

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>Free, Not free according to Musk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHeZHyOnsm4&t=12m37s > Well it can't be free. Because then we'll, like, we'll go out of business. [laugh] > No, no, it can't be free to the user. I don't think so. > This would be... this would cost a lot to build. Ultimately over time to build the full version of the system, we're talking about something that would be 10 or 15 billion dollars to crea…

Nothing a company builds is free. And I think it's better to pay with money than with data. Not saying you're not paying with both here.

> Not saying you're not paying with both here.

If Facebook's "Open Internet" (Read: "Walled Garden") denied by India is any indication, you're unfortunately paying more for the service with your personal data than you are with any money.

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by Symmetry »

mnw21cam wrote: post #446
Symmetry wrote: post #443

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Well, I mean you can put a satellite in orbit so that it always goes over the equator at midnight local time. But then it's solar panels will never get any juice and it won't function.

If it's in a sun-synchronous orbit when it is crossing the equator at midnight local time, then it will also cross the equator at midday local time on the other side of the world. We have weather satellites in this exact orbit right now.

You're right, my mistake.

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Post by FilterSweep »

lerpa wrote: post #399
brainwashedla wrote: post #392

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The whole idea of "progressive" humanity is bizarre and absurd. Look at the world. I mean, what do you see? The world is a polluted, concreted over mess. Suicide rates are sky high and people work in shitty meaningless jobs they hate. We are all being stacked on top of each other in apartments. Where exactly do "progressives" think we are progressing? Why don't other animals need to progress? What is having access to…

> Where exactly do "progressives" think we are progressing? Originally, the answer to that would be Communism. It was looming, remember? Just a matter of time and it could be accelerated through different kind of policies... Except it never happened. But these days that's a bad word and some of them abandoned it, and others just don't say it anymore.

> But these days that's a bad word and some of them abandoned it, and others just don't say it anymore.

I don't think its seen as bad of a word amongst young progressives, however, those same progressives who are students of history know that some individuals in a Communist society are "more equal" than others.

If you're not catching my drift, Communism, historically, has been rife with hypocrisy WRT the "ruling classes" who instill it on the proletariat.

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by silverdrake11 »

katzgrau wrote: post #7

Free, global internet access is the next step toward a smarter, more progressive planet. I don't even care about the speed - if the only thing users could access was wikipedia, I'd still personally donate to the project. I cannot emphasize how important democratizing knowledge is to me (and many others).

There's Wikipedia Zero. The goal is to provide free access to Wikipedia through mobile carriers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Zero

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by mirimir »

hackuser wrote: post #451
mirimir wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As recently as the 50s, there were publicly active KKK groups throughout the US. Or at least, that's what I've gathered, from talking with locals who were adults then. Edit: And there were (are?) "code words" for getting referrals. Some have even become everyday slang. But I've forgotten the specifics.

There are publicly active fringe groups of all sorts. You can join the Communist Party too.

I got the sense that this was far more than fringe.
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