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Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by Mtinie »

didibus wrote: post #384
hubert123 wrote: post #326

It is not unthinkable that the NSA has faked the moon landing and pictures of earth with photoshop / film equipment. You havent been above earth, so how do you know? I think you should be less arrogant at the prospect of somebody having a different opinion than you. Even the astronauts could be fooled, remember that they only ever see space through a sheet of glass, whether it's from inside the space station or their…

You can also just see the moon by staring at the night sky.

No, what you are looking at is a giant cardboard cutout held up by thousands of Mylar helium balloons and pulled by a herd of cats connected with fishing line.

It also explains the "super moon" effect; the cutout actually is closer, and therefore larger, when the helium supplies start to run low every few months or years.

#learneditontheweb

/s

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by brainwashedla »

katzgrau wrote: post #7

Free, global internet access is the next step toward a smarter, more progressive planet. I don't even care about the speed - if the only thing users could access was wikipedia, I'd still personally donate to the project. I cannot emphasize how important democratizing knowledge is to me (and many others).

The whole idea of "progressive" humanity is bizarre and absurd. Look at the world. I mean, what do you see? The world is a polluted, concreted over mess. Suicide rates are sky high and people work in shitty meaningless jobs they hate. We are all being stacked on top of each other in apartments.

Where exactly do "progressives" think we are progressing? Why don't other animals need to progress? What is having access to wikipedia even going to do? "Education" is basically just another term for brainwashing and the internet is largely about administering that brainwashing.

Silicon Valley has literally no idea what it is doing. The leaders don't realise they are not as smart as they think they are and are not actually right in the direction they are attempting to steer the world.

If I look at all of the areas where the internet has improved my knowledge and helped me in some way, it has only been to solve problems caused by "progress" in the first place.

For example, sitting down all day as part of my job led to a terrible posture. I used the internet to figure out how the muscles work and what needed to be changed to fix the problem.

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by wscott »

schiffern wrote: post #357
katzgrau wrote: post #7

Free, global internet access is the next step toward a smarter, more progressive planet. I don't even care about the speed - if the only thing users could access was wikipedia, I'd still personally donate to the project. I cannot emphasize how important democratizing knowledge is to me (and many others).

>Free, Not free according to Musk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHeZHyOnsm4&t=12m37s > Well it can't be free. Because then we'll, like, we'll go out of business. [laugh] > No, no, it can't be free to the user. I don't think so. > This would be... this would cost a lot to build. Ultimately over time to build the full version of the system, we're talking about something that would be 10 or 15 billion dollars to crea…

>And this is intended to generate a significant amount of revenue

You gotta appreciate the honesty. It is so unusual that we still look at this trying to see the angles.

Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by legolas2412 »

Tloewald wrote: post #123
cracell wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting idea but wouldn't a satellite to car connection be pretty unreliable? Since the line of sight would often have things in the way. I'm assuming trees, bridges, and being in a garage would interfere with it.

Well, there's going to be 800 of the suckers. There are only about 33 GPS satellites. Although 700 miles is lowish orbit, it's still above the horizon over 2000 miles away.

You don't establish a communication channel with GPS. You merely listen to the broadcast.

Like a radio tower can service an entire town, but you need many many cellular access points.

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Post by legolas2412 »

WaxProlix wrote: post #149
Tloewald wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there's going to be 800 of the suckers. There are only about 33 GPS satellites. Although 700 miles is lowish orbit, it's still above the horizon over 2000 miles away.

Wow. I read this comment and thought, "This has to be bullshit." But lo and behold, the core satellite 'constellation' is only 24 satellites[1]. That's mega impressive. https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/at...

Well, GPS is more like radio, you only listen to the broadcast, you don't talk back.

But this is more like cellular access points. You have a private channel.

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Post by brainwashedla »

geuis wrote: post #164
manachar wrote: post #128

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Spreading true (well, at least less wrong) information is a noble goal. Unfortunately, I'm not sure we're not seeing such information availability providing avenues towards a smarter, more progressive planet. Instead, the internet seems to be helping people create cocoons of ignorance and "evidence" to support even the most specious claims - such as the world being flat. Knowledge does not seem to be enough. Wisdom a…

I suspect this is just a phase. I don't have any hard stats at the moment to back it up, so it's just a feeling. Internet culture is still very young. At least in the US based on the election last week, the majority of people 18-25 voted progressive in most states. These are people who have never known the world without internet access. I guess that the people who voted the other way are folks who have transitioned i…

Your comment reeks of elitism. You think that Trump got elected because of "dumb people". If only they had read wikipedia their jobs would come back and their quality of life would have gone up.

I think you will find the opposite is true. You have completely out-of-touch elitists who think everything is great, and then you have people who voted for Trump who are extremely aware of the reality of the situation.

The people who voted for Trump had to actually seek out the truth because they realised that would they were being fed by the mainstream media and social media didn't match their reality.

The people who voted for Hillary just continued to be fed information. The end result is the Trump voters became extremely knowledgeable about all of the various issues, and Hillary voters look like products of brainwashing.

For example, Hillary voters would see the cnn article about how citibank predicted the sharemarket would drop 3% if Trump was elected and just take it at face value. Trump supporters know that citibank has strong ties to the democrats to the point that they selected the Obama team and can see that CNN is merely a propaganda arm of the clinton foundation.

Hillary was under investigation from the FBI at the time that article was written and their logic for suggesting the 3% decrease was supposedly that at some point Trump wasn't the favourite and so it would be an unexpected result. So being an unexpected result will cause a 3% drop, but not your president being under investigation by the FBI.

That is just one example of literally hundreds of examples. Hillary voters never bothered to seek the truth.

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Post by wtf_is_up »

hueving wrote: post #280
hackuser wrote: post #225

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> I think you're overstating the effect of fringe communities on the internet. Some believe that fringe information was a major factor in the U.S. Presidential election. A leader of a fringe community is the chief political advisor to the most powerful person in the world-elect.

>Some believe that fringe information was a major factor in the U.S. Presidential election. Yes, but Trump won despite the fringe information against him. See why these political posts are vapid garbage that do nothing to add to the conversation?

I find this """fake news""" narrative that has popped up over the last few days very amusing. As if outlets like HuffPo, Vox, Salon, MotherJones, etc. weren't pumping out 100 slanted articles a day against his campaign. For every Breitbart, there is a Slate.com.

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Post by lerpa »

placebo wrote: post #345
babyrainbow wrote: post #275

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Sadly, this is a naive view, and perpetuated by people who wants to push more ad channels in the name of "empowering" communities... Access to information does not mean consumption. If you give access to internet to 100 people, 99 of them will use it for Facebook or Porn. 1. If you have enough motivation, learning about anything was already possible even before Internet (local libraries and resources) 2. If you don't…

Totally agree. I think the disappointment is that in its earlier days there was hope that the internet would end up changing the world for the better but it ended up just magnifying whatever good and bad already existed in world before it came to the scene. Still, I wouldn't want to go back to pre-internet era. With all the crap, it seems the bottom line is still a gain to humanity and hopefully that gain will increa…

> but it ended up just magnifying whatever good and bad already existed in world before it came to the scene.

And that's how technology works. While they are a lot of naive people around, it has been that way ever since, and humans would use what they got at their disposal to do what humans do.

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Post by lerpa »

brainwashedla wrote: post #392
katzgrau wrote: post #7

Free, global internet access is the next step toward a smarter, more progressive planet. I don't even care about the speed - if the only thing users could access was wikipedia, I'd still personally donate to the project. I cannot emphasize how important democratizing knowledge is to me (and many others).

The whole idea of "progressive" humanity is bizarre and absurd. Look at the world. I mean, what do you see? The world is a polluted, concreted over mess. Suicide rates are sky high and people work in shitty meaningless jobs they hate. We are all being stacked on top of each other in apartments. Where exactly do "progressives" think we are progressing? Why don't other animals need to progress? What is having access to…

> Where exactly do "progressives" think we are progressing?

Originally, the answer to that would be Communism. It was looming, remember? Just a matter of time and it could be accelerated through different kind of policies... Except it never happened.

But these days that's a bad word and some of them abandoned it, and others just don't say it anymore.

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Post by tim333 »

damianknz wrote: post #147
tim333 wrote: post #124

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I used to have a sat phone (Thuraya) and it was pretty reliable if you were outside. They don't work well inside buildings.

You'll get around that in your home by having the satellite module thing up on your roof and a cable to your wifi router. What I don't understand about this though is the number of frequencies available to connect to all these satellites and how it might extend to ~300 million people (let alone a billion potentially).

I think they focus a beam on each user in turn and so don't need different frequencies.
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