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Why the World Needs WikiLeaks

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Re: Why the World Needs WikiLeaks

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I'm totally done with Wikileaks. Just look at their Twitter feed for five minutes and it's not hard to see that they've been heavily biased against one side of the political spectrum in the United States. Not only this, their tweets have at times been erratic, peddling things ranging from outrageous conspiracy theories:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/794450623404113920?lang...

to anti-semitism:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/25/what_wikil...

I'm all for anti-secrecy organizations that hold powerful figures accountable, but Wikileaks appears to have lost their way. My own little conspiracy theory is that they've been coerced somehow into doing the bidding of the Russian government.

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I feel like I'm out of the loop. When was wikileaks compromised? I've passively followed their work over the years, but I've tried to tune out most of the internet the past couple months.

There hasn't been a proof-of-life from Julian himself in some time, and there was recently insurance files released that didn't have matching hashes. No hard evidence, but it is worrying, especially when there are so many parties that would benefit from wikileak's infiltration/de-legitimization.

It may be hard to prove if the employ soft ways of influence, the traditional craft of intelligence agencies: extortion, bribery, forged threats from the opposing side etc.

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I believe strongly in transparency as a way to prevent corruption, but spreading misinformation doesn't stop corruption, it furthers it. It doesn't 'shine a light', it creates shadows where a brutal dictator can hide while he hurts others. Look up "useful idiots" to understand the role they played. It's too easy to cite principle such as "transparency" in order to ignore the difficult questions of responsibility and…

> Wikileaks is the epitome of the propaganda and fake online news that influenced the U.S. campaign Did you notice that Wikileaks showed via DKIM signatures that the vast majority of the emails were cryptographically proven to be unaltered. After that the notion that the emails were doctored vanished.

TIL about DKIM signatures. Thanks!

Re: Why the World Needs WikiLeaks

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wikileaks released information the timing of which was clearly meant to influence the US elections in a very particular way. Secondly, Assange issued statements clearly indicating his intentions to harm Clinton, not promote transparency. Why would the NYT publish this obvious garbage without counterpoint?

Have you even read the leaks? Wikileaks' sole purpose is government transparency, and Assange wanted to harm Clinton because she was withholding large amounts of collusion, corruption, and private policies from the public. This has nothing to do with Wikileaks' political orientation, just as this article states. It has everything to do with transparency to the people, to keep them well-informed.

> Have you even read the leaks?

I have, yes. Every time I heard about a "smoking gun" in the leaked emails that was going to finally bring down the Clintons, it turned out to be either a total fabrication, a severe distortion, or someone with an apparent lack of english reading skills inferring alternate meaning from words and phrases that a plain reading simply did not support.

Most recently I read quite a few emails with "coded words" that were claimed to be evidence of satanic child abuse, with Podesta, Lady Gaga and other "elites" said to be "passing children around like joints at a Bob Marley concert".

I learned to stop listening to those people, but if you can point me to something truly damning please do.

Re: Why the World Needs WikiLeaks

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wikileaks released information the timing of which was clearly meant to influence the US elections in a very particular way. Secondly, Assange issued statements clearly indicating his intentions to harm Clinton, not promote transparency. Why would the NYT publish this obvious garbage without counterpoint?

We're living in strange days, and it's only gonna get weirder. NPR aired a pull your punches interview with a white supremacist today, the New York Times is publishing doublespeak missives from what increasingly appears to be either the useful idiots or willing collaborators of Russian intelligence services. It's like Trump malware has turned the mainstream media into a spam-serving botnet for a league of fascists.

NPR always pulls their punches because they receive, indirectly, government funding. Notwithstanding that Republicans will accuse them of liberal bias regardless of what NPR does, I actually appreciate that NPR is so earnest and conspicuous about it.

Sometimes what's not said is as important as what is said. Which isn't to say that I'm reading between the lines. What I mean is that it communicates something substantive about what partisans consider disputed, and does so in a very simple and convenient manner.

The fact that NPR reporting is so darned good despite their self-imposed constraints is a testament to the quality of their journalism, I think. Even Anton Scalia listened to NPR news, and he avoided most of the supposed liberal media.

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The e-mails don't have to be altered. Russians just have to make sure they get the data, filter out stuff they don't like leaving neutral and desired content and the publish the data in the right time accompanied by a specific media coverage so it gets noticed. This is information warfare. A statement that a body specifically not subject to any self-regulation mechanisms and unknown data sources (that has hurt people…

> But Wikileaks fits too snugly into both russian agenda Agree it does. And if I had to pick a country not to like (or rather I'd say a government) Russia would be it. My family has tangibly been hurt by them. And I'd like to blame them, but the whole "it is the Russians" excuse is a bit too much. This seems to be like a classical PR technique of deflection. And it was pushed too far by Hillary's campaign and the res…

Unfortunately it seems that BBC have an axe to grind with former colonies such as India[1], so they're not entirely objective on news related to those areas.

[1]: https://www.quora.com/Why-does-BBC-publish-more-negative-new...

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I think out of all the "news" media so far Wikileaks is probably the most trustworthy. I've seen people claim they altered the emails or Russians wrote the emails, I think they'd have to point to specific instances for me to see it. I don't remember a single instance of them altering an email. I don't remember anyone credible refuting and saying they didn't write it. How do we know these emails are interesting and us…

It's easy to trust Wikileaks. The only standard they have to adhere to is to not invent, adulterate, or filter material. That's a pretty low standard. By contrast, professional journalists seek out and independently confirm leaks with other insiders. They associate, summarize, and contextualize. Wikileaks doesn't do this--they can't do this--because their sources are anonymous, and because Wikileaks has foresworn tak…

> How did you form that opinion? All on your own? Are you a lawyer specializing in the confluence of national security and free speech law?

I worked in the defense industry for almost 10 years. I know how that works.

> -is that the government interprets the relevant statues such that if you hold a security clearance,

So CNN's Cuomo was acting as the trusty Security Officer and was just caring for the poor souls who have clearance. How kind of him ;-)

Now, let's be honest, do think he said what he said just because of the security clearance aspect?

> You have an affirmative duty not to read it under their interpretation.

If you need CNN to remind you of that duty, you'd probably be in trouble one way or another at some point.

Also since you seem to know a bit about this stuff. Curious what you think about Hillary's private email server with TS SAP material on it. Do you think she should have been prosecuted and not allowed to run for President? Why do you think she wasn't?

I've heard of people going to jail and at best lost their jobs and probably a chance to get clearance forever for a lot less.

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This is extremely naive. These guys are professional marketers and they are doing a job. When you build a product do you really think house best can I help my customer or how can optimize to get the best click or get the best conversion or get the best retention?

> When you build a product do you really think house best can I help my customer This might be a surprise but yes I do! I worked for a tech company which survived and did well for 20+ some years and the reason is because they thought and cared what the customer wanted and always put them first, even at the detriment of yearly revenue. It turns out we didn't need sales people, MBAs or much marketing either, customers…

At scale and over time, how do you measure "what the customer wanted" except by revenue? Do you give every support request equal weight? How do you measure the satisfaction of customers who never complain? Do you respond to customers with explanations about how horrible your software is (I've never met an engineer who thought their company's software beautiful), or do you emphasis more constructive questions and disclosures? Do you visit their home and chat with them about their feelings and anxieties?

Economists call money a signaling mechanism for a reason. It scales and it's honest. It's not the only mechanism, but at scale and over time it's perhaps the most honest one of all. Emphasizing money or votes is hardly something to apologize for, as long as you don't overlook the limitations and ignore other forms of feedback.

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> When you build a product do you really think house best can I help my customer This might be a surprise but yes I do! I worked for a tech company which survived and did well for 20+ some years and the reason is because they thought and cared what the customer wanted and always put them first, even at the detriment of yearly revenue. It turns out we didn't need sales people, MBAs or much marketing either, customers…

At scale and over time, how do you measure "what the customer wanted" except by revenue? Do you give every support request equal weight? How do you measure the satisfaction of customers who never complain? Do you respond to customers with explanations about how horrible your software is (I've never met an engineer who thought their company's software beautiful), or do you emphasis more constructive questions and disc…

> Do you give every support request equal weight?

Not necessarily. You read them and figure out who it is from and what it says.

> How do you measure the satisfaction of customers who never complain?

That's harder. You still talk to them, ask the for their opinion. They are people too besides just being "revenue generators". Our customers quite often just wrote back and praised us. We put that on our social media (FB, Twitter, our site). Someone was doing that as a part-time thing.

> Do you respond to customers with explanations about how horrible your software is

It really depends what it is. Sometime they might be upset about something else in the product or they try to solve a completely different problem. Sometimes they use the product how it is not intended and another company might be a better help for them.

> Do you visit their home and chat with them about their feelings and anxieties?

Home? No, but we did invite some onsite to visit us. Asked them about their families and had lunch with them. As surprising as it is, customers are people too. Treat them like people they'll sell the product for you.

> Emphasizing money or votes is hardly something to apologize for, as long as you don't overlook the limitations and ignore other forms of feedback.

And that's probably why Hillary lost. It was just about getting the right vote blocks. Women: that's easy, she's a woman "so I'm with her" works, done. Blacks: "Let's hire Jay-z to throw the N-bomb at them I hear they like that". Easy-peasy, that block is good. We'll call them back in 4 years. And so on.

Everything looks good on paper, polls look good, did the right tricks in the book yet delivered the worst Democratic performance in what 20 years?

Is fanatical customer support and putting customer needs first really such a radical idea? I would say failure to understand and connect to customer's needs is as a common cause of why companies fail.

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It's easy to trust Wikileaks. The only standard they have to adhere to is to not invent, adulterate, or filter material. That's a pretty low standard. By contrast, professional journalists seek out and independently confirm leaks with other insiders. They associate, summarize, and contextualize. Wikileaks doesn't do this--they can't do this--because their sources are anonymous, and because Wikileaks has foresworn tak…

> How did you form that opinion? All on your own? Are you a lawyer specializing in the confluence of national security and free speech law? I worked in the defense industry for almost 10 years. I know how that works. > -is that the government interprets the relevant statues such that if you hold a security clearance, So CNN's Cuomo was acting as the trusty Security Officer and was just caring for the poor souls who h…

  Now, let's be honest, do think he said what he said just
  because of the security clearance aspect?
I think he said that because he was parroting what administration officials have continually shouted. Presumably CNN verified the credibility of the statement, which made it even more newsworthy. He's basically communicating information given him by another source, judged to be newsworthy because at least one (very significant) party thinks it incredibly important to communicate, and as best he knew it was true and pertinent.

That's precisely what Wikileaks does, does it not? Or do we call a piece of news a talking point when we don't like it, and just the facts when it's something we approve of?

Wikileaks gets a pass for shoveling everything sent its way, but now you're unhappy because CNN failed to affirmatively apply some editorial license?

That's what I mean by saying that it's easier to find fault with other news outlets than it is with Wikileaks. You're holding CNN to a higher standard than Wikileaks. And you know what? You should! But that also means that determining what's "trustworthy" is a heck of alot messier.

  Also since you seem to know a bit about this stuff. Curious 
  what you think about Hillary's private email server with TS 
  SAP material on it. Do you think she should have been 
  prosecuted and not allowed to run for President? Why do you 
  think she wasn't?

  I've heard of people going to jail and at best lost their
  jobs and probably a chance to get clearance forever for a
  lot less.
Regarding Hillary, I think it was much ado about nothing, even ignoring the partisan angle. Colin Powell and countless other officials did and presumably still do the same thing. That alone isn't an excuse. But if government IT is anything like corporate IT, I'm not surprised people felt hindered and unproductive dealing with the rules, and neither surprised nor upset that such officials felt entitled to skirt the rules. And, frankly, I think a cabinet level official has and should have (perhaps as a matter of law, but certainly as a practical matter) significant license. A C-level executive isn't going to get in trouble for violating one of IT's rules, nor should they. Their productivity is paramount, and there's no objective way to tell them that they're wrong in that regard.

I think what Bush Whitehouse officials did with their private e-mail servers was far more suspect, but even at the time I was dubious on the illegality of it. High-level officials play by different rules, for good reason. There are limits to the laws Congress can pass to constrain the executive without violating fundamental separation of powers principles. We can quibble about how immune Hillary would be to liability for ignoring procedural IT rules and regulations, but there's a very strong case that she had Constitutionally-protected authority to disclose classified material however she saw fit had she chosen to do so. Just like I believed Dick Cheney did, presuming he intentionally leaked or ordered the leak of the identity of Valeri Plame. (And, by god, I truly believe Cheney is a fscking malevolent sociopath, though unlike Trump being a narcissist I understand that's taking a leap.) Libby went to prison for perjury, not for disclosure. I'd bet money if Libby just admitted it, and he defended himself all the way to SCOTUS, that the charges wouldn't stick.

That other people have been punished for the same thing Hillary did is beside the point. First, while I think the rules are applied inconsistently, I'd simply prefer that we loosen them up for everybody. I'm not about to argue for throwing the book at Hillary out of spite. And in any event, high-level officials, especially Cabinet appointees, have inherent powers which makes them legitimately exceptional. Second, I think the over-classification of material harms national security. They sure as hell didn't stop the OPM breach or countless other breaches. They provide a false sense of security, including the sense that IT systems can be secured at the edges with trivial procedures and limitations rather than systemic improvements to data security and exfiltration prevention. If they did that then government might realize that by classifying everything under the sun, they're making it more difficult to secure the truly sensitive stuff.

Finally, there's little reason to think Hillary's e-mail damaged national security. First of all, nothing in the published e-mail was damaging, even presuming it was classified then or later. (A _big_ presumption.) Certainly nothing that would even be remotely surprising to Russia or China. Second, however secure her personal server, I'd be shocked if her server was substantively less secure than whatever the State Department was using.

As I've posted elsewhere, I think the election of Trump has been a travesty. I think the man has a mental disorder. More to the point, I won't be surprised when he intentionally or unintentionally leaks national secrets all over Twitter, whether from his NSA-provided smartphone or his personal iPhone. And other officials will likely do the same thing. The left will flip out and the right will shut their ears or spin it. But regardless, it'll be Trump and his officials' fscking prerogative, and I'll be happy to defend that prerogative, as a matter of law, even when it's exercised for nakedly partisan purposes.

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