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Re: SpaceX plans worldwide satellite Internet with low latency, gigabit speed

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Post by inimino »

icehawk219 wrote: post #152

Something I find interesting about this: what does it mean for countries who monitor and filter/block content (think China)? Presumably since this isn't using their national infrastructure they would lose all control of it, no? I wonder how those countries would respond to SpaceX wanting to let their citizens use the service. Unless I'm missing something it seems to me like they wouldn't really be able to stop it.

Just make the necessary hardware illegal to sell or own and the problem is solved.

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Post by jamesrcole »

vacri wrote: post #271
jamesrcole wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the internet stopped people from falling for bullshit the person you're replying to didn't make such a strong claim.

'stopped' does not necessarily mean 'ceased' when discussing human behaviour. Laws against murder and theft stop murder and theft, but doesn't zero them.

You're equivocating. You said

"If the internet stopped people from falling for bullshit, "post-truth" would not have been 'word of the year' for 2016."

which is making a general claim. Whereas now you're implying that you weren't making a general claim about "stopped".

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Post by vacri »

dcposch wrote: post #272
vacri wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the majority of people 18-25 voted progressive in most states This is entirely normal - the young like things to change, the old do not. This voting pattern well predates the internet. > I believe that in general, younger people have become better at filtering out bullshit because they've had access to much more information I disagree. It's about the same as it always has been. Yellow journalism exists now, just as…

> This is entirely normal - the young like things to change, the old do not. This voting pattern well predates the internet. Makes no sense given the context. Clinton was absolutely not the change candidate in this election. Old people predominantly voted for a shakeup, a radical change in the way American govt operates.

That "shakeup" was a vote to regress things to how they were in the past. It was a vote to rollback changes, not go in a new direction. It was a fundamental part of the campaign slogan: "again".

I'm not sure if you noticed, but both houses went Republican, and the Republicans who have been controlling congress for the past 6 years have been stonewalling and blocking everything. The people who were voted in? They actually aren't up for change.

edit: The Republicans in particular are not going to change the current system, and Trump, even if he wanted to, can't do it without a 2/3rds majority for the constitutional change. The Republicans don't want to change the current system, because it's their force multiplier - they are overrepresented because they've been able to more successfully bend the current system via gerrymandering and similar. They also will have serious trouble fiddling with the constitution, because in order to get where they are, they've made a lot of shouty people very religiose about the original document - changing their 'holy bible of politics' will be a very difficult sell.

Trump will change the rhetoric coming out of the oval office, sure, but he's not going to substantially change how government functions.

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Post by cmurf »

hackuser wrote: post #225
andrewksl wrote: post #197

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You're right: Knowledge shouldn't be the end goal, but I think you're overstating the effect of fringe communities on the internet. Consider that for many people on Earth, getting access to the internet takes them from the knowledge shared amongst the members of their community to the collective knowledge of world. That's quite a leap, and I'd argue that having to read flat-earther nonsense once in a while is a price…

> I think you're overstating the effect of fringe communities on the internet. Some believe that fringe information was a major factor in the U.S. Presidential election. A leader of a fringe community is the chief political advisor to the most powerful person in the world-elect.

I'd hardly call white nationalism fringe, it's self evidently been here a long time although in the daily discourse it's been ignored, or wished it wasn't as overt as it is. Well, this election showed otherwise.

But that is not the only factor. There are probably a dozen stewing issues and Trump managed to ride the coat tails of quite a few of them, not least of which is some people who didn't want Trump president couldn't be bothered to show up and vote. There's a roughly 8 million voter gap between 2012 and 2016.

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Post by vacri »

jamesrcole wrote: post #282
vacri wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'stopped' does not necessarily mean 'ceased' when discussing human behaviour. Laws against murder and theft stop murder and theft, but doesn't zero them.

You're equivocating. You said " If the internet stopped people from falling for bullshit, "post-truth" would not have been 'word of the year' for 2016. " which is making a general claim. Whereas now you're implying that you weren't making a general claim about "stopped".

Oh, for fuck's sake, stop being so goddamned literal. Do you also tell people off for calling children "kids", because "kid means young goat"?

If you 'stop' corruption, it doesn't mean you 100% eliminate corruption. A journalist can 'stop people in the street' to talk to them, but that doesn't mean that they stand still rather that walk-and-talk. If a parent is able to 'stop' a kid sleeping badly, it doesn't mean their kid never again sleeps badly, just that the incidence is considerably reduced. Even a traffic 'stop' sign doesn't completely stop people all the time. 'Stop', when applied to human behaviour, is not the fucking same as corking a bloody wine bottle.

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Post by oillio »

cortesoft wrote: post #235
freehunter wrote: post #144

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Most people sleep at the same time in one given geography, but if you're looking at the world, those times are pretty well distributed. Assuming I'm sleeping 8 hours a day, even the continental US only has 5 hours per day when everyone is asleep when you account for time zones. But APAC, ME/Africa, and Europe are all pretty reliably awake at that time.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean you can just put all the satellites right above the part of the world that is awake - so you are still going to not have a perfectly efficient system.

Why not? I wonder if you could construct a polar orbit that followed the daylight around the earth. Add higher concentrations of satellites to the orbits that correspond to the higher traffic hours of the day.

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Post by benchaney »

imw wrote: post #255

This should not be privately owned. It should belong to the entire human race. Otherwise it will be more of the same fallacious drivel that landed us in our current predicament.

It is going to be owned by the people who pay to produce it. I don't really understand the argument in favor of doing it any other way.

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Post by eloff »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #74
SubiculumCode wrote: post #65

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Free global wireless internet lets every device in your home spy without an easy way to firewall it off.

And why was that down-vote worthy? Globally available FREE internet means that devices in our homes could bipass our routers to signal home with little ability to oversee and limit that signaling save throwing the device away and a faraday cage. Today the same is also possible with 3/4/5G antennas, true, but the cost of sending data over cellular networks on billable data accounts is probably just too cost prohibitiv…

An IoT device is not going to have a satellite hookup. The things are about the size of a pizza.
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