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The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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Grishnakh wrote: post #74
greenshackle2 wrote: post #46

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From the little kendo I did, it's both, but mostly slashing. You wouldn't so much slice them in two as open them up from shoulder to hip, if you can. If you're going for the neck though, the basic technique is throat-stabbing, not slicing the head off. If the enemy has good armor, I guess you'd have to go stabby, I can't imagine a katana can slice through good steel plates (or mail, really). But 1) the spear is the s…

>The amazing thing about katanas is not that they're better than european swords (they're not), it's that they were able to make good weapons at all out of shit-tier iron. How are they not better? I'm pretty sure European swords never had that neat feature of higher hardness at the blade than at the back side, giving the sword better strength while still staying sharp on the cutting edge. Katanas are really different…

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Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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Post by foobarrio »

Grishnakh wrote: post #74
greenshackle2 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the little kendo I did, it's both, but mostly slashing. You wouldn't so much slice them in two as open them up from shoulder to hip, if you can. If you're going for the neck though, the basic technique is throat-stabbing, not slicing the head off. If the enemy has good armor, I guess you'd have to go stabby, I can't imagine a katana can slice through good steel plates (or mail, really). But 1) the spear is the s…

>The amazing thing about katanas is not that they're better than european swords (they're not), it's that they were able to make good weapons at all out of shit-tier iron. How are they not better? I'm pretty sure European swords never had that neat feature of higher hardness at the blade than at the back side, giving the sword better strength while still staying sharp on the cutting edge. Katanas are really different…

Some European swords do show a degree of differential tempering and differential hardening. I don't know what technique they used though. IIRC correctly if you polish some of the swords the same way you do a JP blade, you get hamon-esque patterns:

http://www.archaeologie-online.de/magazin/fundpunkt/forschun...

Also remember that JP swords are a few hundred years more modern than what we typically think of when we think EU swords. However the Vikings had some knowledge of carbon/crucible steel making as early as 9th-10th century:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulfberht_swords

Masamune was like 14th century with the famous Maramasa and Kotestu being 16th century onward.

Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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Post by greenshackle2 »

Grishnakh wrote: post #74
greenshackle2 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the little kendo I did, it's both, but mostly slashing. You wouldn't so much slice them in two as open them up from shoulder to hip, if you can. If you're going for the neck though, the basic technique is throat-stabbing, not slicing the head off. If the enemy has good armor, I guess you'd have to go stabby, I can't imagine a katana can slice through good steel plates (or mail, really). But 1) the spear is the s…

>The amazing thing about katanas is not that they're better than european swords (they're not), it's that they were able to make good weapons at all out of shit-tier iron. How are they not better? I'm pretty sure European swords never had that neat feature of higher hardness at the blade than at the back side, giving the sword better strength while still staying sharp on the cutting edge. Katanas are really different…

> How are they not better? I'm pretty sure European swords never had that neat feature of higher hardness at the blade than at the back side, giving the sword better strength while still staying sharp on the cutting edge.

I'm not sure where you got that idea. Any well made sword of that era would have a softer core and harder edges.

Japanese swordsmiths used folding to do that, a type of pattern welding. At the time swordsmiths all across Europe and Asia were using different, equally good pattern welding techniques. The Japanese technique was one of the more complicated ones, because they had worse iron.

Damascus blades are the best example of pattern welding. They were made of the highest quality steel (at the time).

Japaneses swords were well made, and comparable to European swords of the time, but not better or worse.

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Post by marchenko »

omonra wrote: post #53
mikeash wrote: post #39

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There certainly are genetic differences around the world, but they line up only vaguely with race. If race were about genetics, then there would be a ton of different races in Africa, and we'd probably lump all other people under one "non-African" race. My favorite way to illustrate the arbitrary nature of race is to ask what the race is of our current (alas, soon to be former) president. Typically the answer is "bla…

The answer to your question is 'black' because of political correctness. This is a great example of why it's pernicious - as it robs us of ability to describe the world. There is actually a more appropriate term - 'mulatto' which was specifically created to describe people born to black / white parents. Today it's considered 'dated and offensive', so we don't have a 'polite' and 'correct' way to describe the ethnicit…

The term mulatto is almost intrinsically offensive, as the two most likely etymologies mean "mule" or "foreign". It has a strong pejorative connotation.We have several polite terms for the President and others of mixed ancestry, like "multiracial", which is more accurate, comprehensive,and descriptive than "mulatto"

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Post by omonra »

marchenko wrote: post #84
omonra wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer to your question is 'black' because of political correctness. This is a great example of why it's pernicious - as it robs us of ability to describe the world. There is actually a more appropriate term - 'mulatto' which was specifically created to describe people born to black / white parents. Today it's considered 'dated and offensive', so we don't have a 'polite' and 'correct' way to describe the ethnicit…

The term mulatto is almost intrinsically offensive, as the two most likely etymologies mean "mule" or "foreign". It has a strong pejorative connotation.We have several polite terms for the President and others of mixed ancestry, like "multiracial", which is more accurate, comprehensive,and descriptive than "mulatto"

How is multiracial more accurate when it equally describes someone who's amerindian / chinese as european / african?

If you could propose a more PC term than mulatto (which specifically describes someone with white/black parents), I'd take it - but I don't think there is any.

Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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Post by hackuser »

Grishnakh wrote: post #73
hackuser wrote: post #69

If this bothers you, what are you doing about it? Is your company retaining data that can be used against your customers? Is it implementing tech (end-to-end encryption, data minimization, anonymization, decentralization, etc.) to reduce their exposure? Don't wait until someone shows up with a NSL, claiming all Muslims are terrorists and therefore spying on everyone who believes in Islam or is suspected of being a fr…

Throw a wrench into the works if this happens: report a bunch of your conservative Christian customers as Muslims. It'll suck for them but it serves them right anyway. (Make sure to leave the country before the authorities figure out what happened.)

I would absolutely oppose this; everyone is due the same freedoms and rights. However, I think you are joking ...

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Post by omonra »

fallingfrog wrote: post #76
omonra wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer to your question is 'black' because of political correctness. This is a great example of why it's pernicious - as it robs us of ability to describe the world. There is actually a more appropriate term - 'mulatto' which was specifically created to describe people born to black / white parents. Today it's considered 'dated and offensive', so we don't have a 'polite' and 'correct' way to describe the ethnicit…

You know, every time I hear somebody complain about "political correctness" they follow it up by saying something really ugly and inaccurate. Then they complain, "gee, isn't it too bad that people don't let us use these dated terms anymore?". The reason we don't use the term "mulatto" is that there are a whole bunch of wrong assumptions rolled into that word. That there is any such thing as mixed vs pure race, for in…

I'm not a native English speaker and to me this word has none of the connotations you describe. I'm with

'Residents of Spain, Latin America, the Caribbean, and some countries in Africa freely use the term mulatto, or its cognates in other languages, usually without any suggestion of insult'

Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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Post by marchenko »

omonra wrote: post #85
marchenko wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The term mulatto is almost intrinsically offensive, as the two most likely etymologies mean "mule" or "foreign". It has a strong pejorative connotation.We have several polite terms for the President and others of mixed ancestry, like "multiracial", which is more accurate, comprehensive,and descriptive than "mulatto"

How is multiracial more accurate when it equally describes someone who's amerindian / chinese as european / african? If you could propose a more PC term than mulatto (which specifically describes someone with white/black parents), I'd take it - but I don't think there is any.

In the US, when mulatto was in more widespread use, the term was used to describe Turks as well as persons of white/south Asian and white/ Native American backgrounds. So it is not necessarily more specific, in practice. I think the best reason not to use the term when in North American circles is that those it refers to generally strongly dislike it because of its poisoned historical past, which created an implicit comparison between mixed people and sterile mules, or more generously, strangers in their own land. Imagine if the colloquial term for Americans of Irish/German ancestry was "banana slug" or "interloper".

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Post by rmc »

venomsnake wrote: post #22
rmc wrote: post #16

France doesn't ask for or record race/ethnicity on its censuses for exactly this reason. If you don't store it, you can't be made to give it up.

Nowadays you can do it with drone, camera and facial recognition software. If president Le Pen needs the info she could get in 2 days.

Have you seen how the French protest? Especially the unions (which tend to be left wing). They were almost burning cars to stop Uber http://time.com/3935645/paris-taxi-drivers-protest-uber/

How long do you think such a drone programme would physically last? Antifa activists will literally start smashing things.

Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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Post by mc32 »

ue_ wrote: post #60
mc32 wrote: post #40

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Did they have need to, given they are pretty homogeneous? On the other hand you have to register with the local Koseki[1] and last names are positive indicators of ethnicity for the non-Japanese [except for haafu with ethnic Japanese fathers]. On the other hand, France by law does not track race characteristics, so they can't rely on census statistics to know how well or poorly a population is doing. [1] https://en.w…

The irony is that we don't know, other than anecdotally or non-official sources, how racially/ethically homogeneous Japan is, unless I am mistaken. Is it not true that non-citizens do not have entries in the koseki system? I may be misunderstanding. Is it not also true that on becoming a citizen, a "Japanese name" must be selected? Though I habe heard that such a name can be entirely in katakana, and simply a transli…

If you marry into a Japanese family then you have a "dead-end" entry in the Koseki system, otherwise as a regular foreigner I think you have to register in the Alien Registration registry --altho some of this may be changing, so I could be misrepresenting things.

With regard to name, I'm unsure, though I believe what you stated has validity.

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