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Re: Twitter suspends alt-right figureheads

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Post by hajile »

Taek wrote: post #305
mhurron wrote: post #220

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Numbers: Trump : 60,834,437 votes Hillary : 61,782,016 votes Popular Vote result ( as in your vote counts the same as everyone elses ) President Hillary. US System ( the weight of your vote depends on what state you live in ) President Trump. If you want to break it down further than that, well there is no reason to analyze anything ever because it's always a completely different situation. People were blindsided bec…

People forget why the electoral college was created. Every state gets 3 votes for free. More votes added based on population. That's by design, because it props up the small states. The Constitution intentionally gave disproportionate power to small states to prevent the large states from being able to ignore them entirely. That was a condition that the small states demanded for joining the union. This election worke…

I agree with you, but I believe all states should be required to adopt a policy similar to Maine and Nebraska where the voting district gets an electoral representative based on the local vote rather than an "all or nothing" win of the state. This would encourage voters to vote because their local vote in the presidential election would actually matter.

Re: Twitter suspends alt-right figureheads

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Post by hajile »

Sacho wrote: post #301
dliotev wrote: post #265

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"...being racist against white people doesn't really mean much..." In case you didn't know: these words incite hate towards a group of people based on their skin color. In other words, you are advocating racism. You've just exposed yourself as a racist.

I believe the parent is a proponent of the theory of racial relations that defines racism as "prejudice + power". I don't think I'm eloquent enough to sum up the idea, so here's a link to a paper that analyzes this proposed meaning among others: http://www.andover.edu/About/Newsroom/TheMagazine/Documents/...

If

    racism = prejudice + power
then may still be possible for a local maxima of power to exist.

When a bunch of black power advocates beat a white person because nobody is around to stop them, they clearly show that they are the local maxima of power. Even if "systemic oppression" occurs as a global maxima, there is certainly a lot of variability of who's in power in the rest of the graph.

Re: Twitter suspends alt-right figureheads

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Post by jazzyk »

tzs wrote: post #338
LyndsySimon wrote: post #218

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> No one is suggesting that all or most Trump supporters are racist. "You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.” - Hillary Clinton, Sep 2016

Half is an exaggeration, but they do seem a lot more common among Trump supporters than among Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Bush, and Kasich supporters. Spend a while in /r/the_donald.

People who frequent that subreddit do not even amount to 0.00001% of the Trump electorate.

Re: Twitter suspends alt-right figureheads

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Post by tzs »

jazzyk wrote: post #383
tzs wrote: post #338

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Half is an exaggeration, but they do seem a lot more common among Trump supporters than among Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Bush, and Kasich supporters. Spend a while in /r/the_donald.

People who frequent that subreddit do not even amount to 0.00001% of the Trump electorate.

So? The same can be said for people who frequent Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Bush, and Kasich forums, but none of those get anywhere near the percentage of racist and similar posts and comments as does /r/the_donald.

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Post by jazzyk »

tzs wrote: post #384
jazzyk wrote: post #383

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People who frequent that subreddit do not even amount to 0.00001% of the Trump electorate.

So? The same can be said for people who frequent Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Bush, and Kasich forums, but none of those get anywhere near the percentage of racist and similar posts and comments as does /r/the_donald.

So you are projecting opinions of 0.0001% of Trump supporters (or trolls, who knows) to 60M+ people who voted for him? I see a bright career at WaPo or NYT for you :-)

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Post by tzs »

jazzyk wrote: post #385
tzs wrote: post #384

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So? The same can be said for people who frequent Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Bush, and Kasich forums, but none of those get anywhere near the percentage of racist and similar posts and comments as does /r/the_donald.

So you are projecting opinions of 0.0001% of Trump supporters (or trolls, who knows) to 60M+ people who voted for him? I see a bright career at WaPo or NYT for you :-)

> So you are projecting opinions of 0.0001% of Trump supporters (or trolls, who knows) to 60M+ people who voted for him?

1. No, I'm looking at differences in properties of samples drawn from different populations to estimate differences in those populations. Trump-related online forums have a higher fraction of racists than Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Rubio, Bush, and Kasich forums do.

If Trump supporters in general had the same level of racism as supporters of those other candidates, then we would expect Trump forums to show about the same level of racism as the forums of those other candidates.

2. You seem to think the size of a sample as a percentage of the population is important. It is not. For large populations it is the absolute number of people in the sample that is important, not the percentage of the population.

I am making the assumption that supporters of various candidates are all about equally likely to decide to post on their candidate's forums. It is possible that there is something about Trump supporters that makes racist Trump supporters more prone to make racist forum posts.

That is what you should be focusing on to criticize my inferences about Trump supporters, rather than basing it on your inadequate understanding of elementary probability and how it applies to determining the sample size needed to make reasonably inferences about a population from a sample.

> I see a bright career at WaPo or NYT for you :-)

Have an upvote. I like it when people who are wrong are at least feisty about it.

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Post by devsquid »

imaginenore wrote: post #192
cossatot wrote: post #186

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Are you calling actual jihadists left wing? Or are you calling SJWs jihadists?

SJWs generally support anything Islam (which never made much sense to me, because how anti-woman Islam is).

waaa you are a confused individual.
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