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Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”

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Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”

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Post by oscargrouch »

necessity wrote: post #235
oscargrouch wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not the same thing, as in Brazil the investigation forces will need to get a warrant from a judge to have access to that data. Exactly the same way it happens for phone records or private bank accounts. This data is protected by law, and is considered private.. so only a judge, in a ongoing investigation, when asked by police forces, when investiganting crimes for instance, can grant access to this data. As i und…

They do not need a warrant, read Article 11.

It says exactly the opposite of what you are trying to imply.

>Article 11. In any operation of collection, storage, custody and treatment of records, personal data or communications by connection providers and internet applications in which at least one of these acts occurs in the national territory, shall be obligatorily respected the legislation and the rights to privacy, the protection of personal data and the confidentiality of private communications and records.

http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/_ato2011-2014/2014/lei/...

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Post by uabstraction »

gambiting wrote: post #239
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Terrorism is merely the justification. // You've lost sight of any balance when you start claiming that terrorism is just an idea used to justify state oversight and not an actual problem of organised harm/killing of peaceful civilians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings - presumably you think that's just a huge fiction created so the government can get hold of your holiday snaps.

I think one can acknowledge that terrorists and terrorist attacks are definitely a real thing that exist, and at the same time one can think that the current reaction is completely out of proportion, where the whole society is giving away its freedoms to prevent a really minor threat?

I'd happily live with the lightning strike probability of being involved in a terrorist attack than the certainty that the government will abuse this data to subvert opposition.

Trading the rights of millions of people to combat terrorism hurts more people than the terrorists could ever hope to touch.

This doesn't even factor in solutions terrorists can use to avoid surveillance, or answer the question of if all this surveillance even reduces terrorism in the first place.

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Post by wangchow »

archagon wrote: post #166
datamoshr wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can make our tech impervious to tracking time and time again. Follow best practices, etc. It absolutely does help. The shortfall comes in with backdooring and just getting access. There's nothing stopping a government that strongarms laws like this into law, from strongarming a company into giving access to data.

Mesh networks? Everything P2P.

Gnunet on the right track: https://gnunet.org/

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Post by tmnvix »

anondon wrote: post #63

What is the easiest way to explain to the average citizen that the "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear" argument is not a good reason to let the Government keep tabs on your online activities? Most people don't give any thought to online privacy that it truly scares me.

"Nothing to hide, nothing to fear"

"And yet here you are, wearing clothes."

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Post by jwtadvice »

NumberCruncher wrote: post #206
simopaa wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like a potential (new?) attack type though. Just have software that pings certain illegal websites and bam - the target is now a paedo or whatever the attacker wishes.

Generating fake evidence to blackmail someone? No one would do that. They are too busy chasing terrorists.

For those that don't understand this comment, intelligence agencies are known for generating fake evidence and allegations to take down targets - and it's well known that intelligence agencies such as the NSA and GCHQ are not charged with missions to track down terrorists.

A very clever sarcastic comment I think will probably go under the radar because the OP omitted a "/s".

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Post by odbol_ »

datamoshr wrote: post #44

As a UK resident, this irks me beyond belief. It's a sickening invasion of human rights[1]. To echo u/rubberstamps sentiments, it's such that there's been little to no coverage of this in the media. But it's the same everywhere, introduce an encroaching bill, have uproar from those with the heads screwed on (the minority). Let it grow a little stale in the publics eye and keep reintroducing with slight alterations it…

Yikes. All the more reason to embrace technologies like the Decentralized Web.

The solution to government surveillance is not laws - we've already seen that laws don't stop secret shadow government entities - the only defense is technology.

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Post by mmmBacon »

datamoshr wrote: post #44

As a UK resident, this irks me beyond belief. It's a sickening invasion of human rights[1]. To echo u/rubberstamps sentiments, it's such that there's been little to no coverage of this in the media. But it's the same everywhere, introduce an encroaching bill, have uproar from those with the heads screwed on (the minority). Let it grow a little stale in the publics eye and keep reintroducing with slight alterations it…

Does something like this make a strong case for UK having a formal constitution to check the power of Parliament to make laws like this?

Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”

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Post by coo1k »

Since people are mentioning VPN, be aware which server you use. You might want to stay away from servers in 14 eyes countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement#9_Eyes.2C_14_E...

Few useful resources when deciding between VPNs

1. That one privacy guy - https://thatoneprivacysite.net/vpn-comparison-chart/

2. https://www.privacytools.io/

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Post by rsync »

krona wrote: post #16
s_kilk wrote: post #12

> Despite the uproar, the government's opposition failed to scrutinize any significant amendments and abstained from the final vote. Killock said recently that the opposition Labour party spent its time "simply failing to hold the government to account". What the hell is the point of the Labour party these days? They are absolutely not an effective opposition. Worthless bastards, one and all.

The value of the £ has been the official opposition since Brexit.

"The value of the £ has been the official opposition since Brexit."

I wonder if you realize that a declining value of the pound is likely to be positive for the British economy ? It's not certain, but very likely ...

In fact, it might even be considered a feature of BREXIT.

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