Why are people in UK tolerating this?
Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”
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Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have a link to the "VPN has been defeated" documents? Didn't Snowden say exactly, that the only thing to trust is strong encryption? > ISPs and police will use every mechanism including DNS, HTTP, IP addresses Surely VPN will protect you from all of that? My main concern is police/isp's logging all VPN traffic, and then when they want to use some of it, they subpoena your VPN provider for the keys. Though, may…
I was going to write up a dossier, but found one created by Der Speigel here: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nsa-documents-atta... Yes, trust strong encryption. VPN isn't strong encryption. Or rather, VPN is not necessarily strong encryption as most of the VPN standards and implementations have either been backdoored or weren't designed for strength against state actors.
> most of the VPN standards
What VPN standards are you talking about?
Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is Jeremy Corbyn supposed to do? He was elected twice by the overwhelming majority of party members on a socialist platform, but the majority of his MPs aren't socialist and support a "Blairite" (neoliberal) agenda. Since his election, those MPs have tried to force him to resign, staging various incidents (an MP calling Ken Livingstone a Nazi apologist for pointing out the existence of the Haavara Agreement, a h…
The trouble with this is that Corbyn has done nothing whatsoever to oppose the Snooper's Charter or Brexit or the Psychoactive Substances Act or the (now delayed) attempt to neuter the House Of Lords (in fact I suspect he fully supports all of those). What could he do? Step aside.
>Corbyn has done nothing whatsoever to oppose the Snooper's Charter or Brexit //
Corbyn campaigned on the ground against Brexit all over Britain. It largely wasn't reported on in the national press though. Actually getting out amongst the people is seemingly his thing.
Corbyn appears to be being a socialist, shock!, and not dictating the position people should take but suggesting a position and fronting the position of the members of his party.
My take on Corbyn is if you want him to act then get the Party to support it.
Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was going to write up a dossier, but found one created by Der Speigel here: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nsa-documents-atta... Yes, trust strong encryption. VPN isn't strong encryption. Or rather, VPN is not necessarily strong encryption as most of the VPN standards and implementations have either been backdoored or weren't designed for strength against state actors.
> most of the VPN standards What VPN standards are you talking about?
IPSEC, IKE.
Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”
#175Protect your privacy with a VPN, either run your own or use one of the available providers. It's a shame you need to do this, but that's just the state of things. Run your own with OpenVPN: https://openvpn.net VPN providers(not affiliated, just ones myself or colleagues use): https://www.expressvpn.com https://www.goldenfrog.com/vyprvpn https://nordvpn.com
If you run your own VPN will they not just log traffic from the endpoint (if in the UK) then tie it to you with billing records?
Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”
#176Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, due to browsers leaking data and state actors controlling tor end points. They still know know someone out there is doing something, and can build ad profiles and threat profiles on them, they just can't link those profiles to you easily: that is anonymity. Privacy would be inability to build useful profiles.
Is that ever possible? Every interaction is going to have side channels and fingerprints.
You can't entirely defeat it, but you can eliminate, or disassociate, as many things as possible.
Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”
#177So the British government is just rubber stamping what they had already been doing in secret and technically illegally for the last twenty years. I can't wait till they get hacked and someone dumps every parliamentary minister and lord's dubious Google searches for the public to see.
It was illegal until they brought in retroactive legislation in the middle of the night making it legal for them to hack. What's the point in having laws?
Most politicians want these intrusive powers in spite of them being against the ECHR Act. Nobody to vote for or dare you vote at all?
Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”
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That's because Blair's Labour Party was as right wing and authoritarian as the Tories they replaced. Both Corbyn's supporters and opponents know well what they stand for. The problem is it isn't the same things. The only people who have any moral right to oppose Brexit are the Scottish nationalists and the Northern Irish republicans. England and Wales voted to leave.
That's because Blair's Labour Party was as right wing [..] as the Tories they replaced. That's revisionist, and demonstrably false. The Blair government brought in gay adoption, a minimum wage, the Freedom of Information Act, the Human Rights Act, civil partnerships, banned fox hunting with dogs, increased NHS investment by >25% in real terms, achieved the lowest unemployment in 50 years, slashed child poverty, and m…
I think it's a good example of why a simple left-right dichotomy doesn't cut it. The Blair government had a lot of great social-democrat policies and was genuinely redistributive. It also relied on control-freakery and media management; all policy had to come from the Blair-Campbell office. There was no mechanism for incorporating friendly critique. And some of its policy was genuinely illiberal, especially in the antiterrorism & surveillance area.
That may have been a hidden tradeoff for taking on the security establishment enough to get a peace deal in NI.
Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”
#179Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's because Blair's Labour Party was as right wing and authoritarian as the Tories they replaced. Both Corbyn's supporters and opponents know well what they stand for. The problem is it isn't the same things. The only people who have any moral right to oppose Brexit are the Scottish nationalists and the Northern Irish republicans. England and Wales voted to leave.
That's because Blair's Labour Party was as right wing [..] as the Tories they replaced. That's revisionist, and demonstrably false. The Blair government brought in gay adoption, a minimum wage, the Freedom of Information Act, the Human Rights Act, civil partnerships, banned fox hunting with dogs, increased NHS investment by >25% in real terms, achieved the lowest unemployment in 50 years, slashed child poverty, and m…
I stand corrected. Still right wing, but less right wing than, and similarly authoritarian as, the Tories during Labour's time in government. Source: https://www.politicalcompass.org/ukparties2010
Re: Britain passed the “most extreme surveillance law ever passed in a democracy”
#180Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many people who didn't grow up with online communications don't value online communications and don't expect them to have the same levels of privacy as paper mail - but they'd be horrified if someone else opened their post. If you mailed each of them (via traditional post) an envelope that was torn open and taped together with a message saying 'the government is doing this to all your mail' they may think differently…
I think that would be an effective public information campaign and this idea should be given serious consideration.
Seconding this. Great physical metaphor, gets to the point. Happy to help out if anyone is serious about it (I'm in the UK).