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Don’t Mess with The Google

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Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

#471
I lost a Google account for using it to post a combative message on the State Department's youtube channel.

Google didn't tell me that, of course, but I don't use that particular account for many things and it was the only thing I used that account for in a long time.

Likely part of the push by Washington to get information companies to guide what dialogue is acceptable to post online.

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

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I mean, the data is still there, fwiw. I'm not sure how generic bitlocker is, but i imagine i have to have a tool specifically tailored to decrypt the bitlocker data. With Camlistore it's one level extracted. You'd need a tool to decrypt and scoop up all the chunks for a given file - but you could write that in Bash. The Camlistores blob store doesn't do anything fancy (that i recall! i could be wrong) , it's just a…

Bitlocker is quite specific but tailored to where everything already is. None of my children or my wife are OSX fans. I can't find a better cross platform solution if I'm honest - if there was one I'd be there. TrueCrypt was used before I used bitlocker and we know where that ended. Bitlocker works on OSX pretty well with this: http://www.m3datarecovery.com/mac-bitlocker/ Will mull over your ideas; there are definite…

To be clear, i don't think my ideas are better - this is merely a discussion.

I do like Camlistore's approach to generic data storage though - ie, there is no organizing files/etc. Of course you can always go back and add metadata, but i treat it like a database dump - which is quite nice.

I think what i need is to find the simplest solution to export/expose the data within camlistore. Then i can encrypt like you are, and be sure that family can get data back out. Hmm, much to think on.

Appreciate the discussion :)

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

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Pretty incredible - especially with how little that a hardware product purchase has to do with a user's data. Imagine for a moment that google required people to have an account to access all their services - that they have the ability to cut you off arbitrarily across ALL their services for a TOS violation should scare anyone. Imagine if facebook cut your account and thereby ties to many of your friends and acquaint…

> Imagine if facebook cut your account and thereby ties to many of your friends and acquaintances for promoting a competing ad company? This is very imaginable. Facebook has never attempted to be privacy or user friendly; DO NOT USE IT. You are the only product they have of value. In general, do not use third party login for anything personal you care about. It's not a password; it's nothing you control.

Login with Facebook is a nightmare: I've stopped counting the times I've had a problem with accounts created with Facebook Login. It is pain in the ass to switch that account to a regular one, once you did it.

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

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For Email with IMAP, you have the wonderful offlineimap tool[0], I have been using it for years, you can easily perform a maildir format[1] backups of all your email accounts. [0]: http://www.offlineimap.org/ [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maildir

I have been taking a Thunderbird local dump of all my Google mail for years as a backup (Thunderbird's mbox format is readable everywhere) so I can clear my Google account regularly, yet have a backup. No idea what I'll do when Thunderbird eventually goes away - what is the replacement with identical functionality on macOS? I only want to grab mail and append to my existing mbox files.

Not sure if Postbox on the Mac will meet your needs or not but it's based on Thunderbird and done by a company founded by Thunderbird's lead engineer. It's a paid product, but well worth it...I use it as my main email app.

https://www.postbox-inc.com

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

#475

Disclaimer: I don't speak for Google and don't have any real context into why this occurred. Speaking as myself, a private citizen. I work in Spam & Abuse and it's possible that this is the result of some clustering algorithm that was trying to take down sharders / phone buying rings. It's very possible that the SWEs responsible didn't consider this possibility (that legitimate customers would be used to shard purcha…

If you watch an old tech talk re: Google disaster recovery topic, the Googler explains that a user's info is never fully deleted because it's too expensive to do so given back-up duplication is processed multiple times in multiple locations and sometimes over multiple technologies. In other words, cancel your google account today and your data may be "deleted" but it's really, as in actually really , still on magneti…

I think this may have changed since that talk. I think Google still doesn't technically guarantee full deletion (who knows if someone's GC process messed up or has a bug) but in practice it happens, at least AFAIK. It is expensive. And it does take time, I wouldn't expect all my stuff to be purged until at least 180 days (the 90 days they are supposed to delete after + ~90d for the delete to fully propogate).

It also drives every engineer nuts when they're asked is your service wipeout compliant and they realize omg I can't store this data longer than x days?! shit shit shit

European Privacy Shield compliance is yet another bag of legal worms every service has to deal with. More deleting, encryption at rest, etc.

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

#476
This has always scared me but the risk is low enough that I never feel like spending the time to figure out how to migrate my gmail account.

Is there a paid service out there that just does it for me automatically?

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

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Disclaimer: I don't speak for Google and don't have any real context into why this occurred. Speaking as myself, a private citizen. I work in Spam & Abuse and it's possible that this is the result of some clustering algorithm that was trying to take down sharders / phone buying rings. It's very possible that the SWEs responsible didn't consider this possibility (that legitimate customers would be used to shard purcha…

If you watch an old tech talk re: Google disaster recovery topic, the Googler explains that a user's info is never fully deleted because it's too expensive to do so given back-up duplication is processed multiple times in multiple locations and sometimes over multiple technologies. In other words, cancel your google account today and your data may be "deleted" but it's really, as in actually really , still on magneti…

From watching a tech talk a few years ago by Googler on backup, my understanding is that they just delete the encryption key (I believe everyone's data is encrypted with a per user key).

Your data may still live out on some server - but it is effectively unrecoverable.

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

#478
Does a service exist that compresses your entire Google Account (GDrive/Docs/Gmail/etc.) to an archive and then uploads it to your Dropbox (or other cloud storage) account?

I don't want to ditch using Google, I'm too integrated, but I would like to back up everything to a second source just in case.

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

#479
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This really seems like it needs to be regulated in law. For telephone companies, there are rules about when they may disconnect you, e.g. the Arizona Utilities Division write > f I am unable to pay my entire bill, what can I do to maintain local dial tone? > The Arizona Administrative Code specifically states that a telephone company may not disconnect a customer for failure to pay an unregulated portion of their bil…

Fastmail. I'm just a regular (paying) customer, not a business or anything. I've opened a small number of tickets, one or two of the RTFM variety. I've always got a human response and satisfaction, even a "here, let me RTFM that for you." I can't imagine being locked out of my fastmail account for anything other than abuse of my fastmail account . Or not paying my bill.

I wanted to report a bug in Fastmail's android client only to discover that their ticket form requires you to type in your password. My fastmail password is gigantic, and typing it in on a phone is a major ordeal. Is it that much of a problem if a non-user submits a ticket?

Re: Don’t Mess with The Google

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post #297

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That is why I stick to OSS like Linux, Thunderbird, nextcloud, etc. as much as possible. I got locked into a closed source platform once and it was a pain to get out of it. I will never let it happen again.

Self storage is fine but does it guaranty long term documents safety? I am very sceptical about my ability of maintaining it on the long term.

I've settled on having a NAS at home that backs up my most important stuff onto Amazon S3. I also have a lot of stuff with a paid dropbox account, that of course has local copies on my desktop and laptop. I'm looking into using Fastmail vs having my custom domain with an old grandfatherhed in google apps for your domain account.
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