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The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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that's exactly my point! neither party has some kind of monopoly on intolerant ideas.

Then why bring it up?

i don't think there's any reason to engage with you because you're just willfully ignoring the implication of the text i responded to. see ya.

Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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"Middle Eastern" is not a race though. I'm Turkish and we are very Caucasian. :)

Well, of course there's really no such thing as race to begin with, it's a big bag of various cultural and historical prejudices with all kinds of different people thrown together into arbitrary "races". Racism had to be invented to justify slavery and colonialism.

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Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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I'm with you on the prejudice part. But pedantically, its not so easy to dismiss 'race'. We see strong genetic pooling around the world. We can make up a new word for that, or use the one we have. Unfortunately the current word has been muddied by history.

There certainly are genetic differences around the world, but they line up only vaguely with race. If race were about genetics, then there would be a ton of different races in Africa, and we'd probably lump all other people under one "non-African" race. My favorite way to illustrate the arbitrary nature of race is to ask what the race is of our current (alas, soon to be former) president. Typically the answer is "bla…

The answer to your question is 'black' because of political correctness. This is a great example of why it's pernicious - as it robs us of ability to describe the world.

There is actually a more appropriate term - 'mulatto' which was specifically created to describe people born to black / white parents. Today it's considered 'dated and offensive', so we don't have a 'polite' and 'correct' way to describe the ethnicity of our (current) President.

Would you deny the existence of dog breeds because there exist labradoodles or any other mixes?

Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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The US government can contact one of the many consumer data brokers and obtain a list of every Muslim in America in about five minutes. They have no need to use the Census or anything else.

"Experian’s Ethnic InsightSM is a comprehensive predictive name analysis process that identifies the ethnic origin, probable religion and language preferences of individuals."

Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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It would be far more difficult for President Pence to round up all of the homosexuals as he promised, but luckily for him, now we have Facebook and Google. Also, if Obama and Clinton hadn't protected and enabled the NSA, and completely ignored the mass data collection of private companies, it wouldn't be far too late for people afraid of being targeted to delete their accounts now.

Why shouldn't people want to share their real names online? If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, Muslim.

Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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There certainly are genetic differences around the world, but they line up only vaguely with race. If race were about genetics, then there would be a ton of different races in Africa, and we'd probably lump all other people under one "non-African" race. My favorite way to illustrate the arbitrary nature of race is to ask what the race is of our current (alas, soon to be former) president. Typically the answer is "bla…

The answer to your question is 'black' because of political correctness. This is a great example of why it's pernicious - as it robs us of ability to describe the world. There is actually a more appropriate term - 'mulatto' which was specifically created to describe people born to black / white parents. Today it's considered 'dated and offensive', so we don't have a 'polite' and 'correct' way to describe the ethnicit…

Wow, blaming political correctness for the idea that black ancestry makes someone black. You might find this to be enlightening:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypodescent#Hypo.2Fhyperdescen...

The idea that a mixed-race person is considered to be a member of only one of their parents' races long predates people's unwillingness to use "mulatto."

And the idea that people must call him "black" because they're not allowed to say "mulatto" is absurd. "Mixed" would describe it without causing any offense, as would "half white, half black."

I remain amazed at how insistent some people are that the lingering consequences of centuries of racial injustice in this country are somehow caused by "political correctness" in the past few decades.

Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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post #39

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There certainly are genetic differences around the world, but they line up only vaguely with race. If race were about genetics, then there would be a ton of different races in Africa, and we'd probably lump all other people under one "non-African" race. My favorite way to illustrate the arbitrary nature of race is to ask what the race is of our current (alas, soon to be former) president. Typically the answer is "bla…

The answer to your question is 'black' because of political correctness. This is a great example of why it's pernicious - as it robs us of ability to describe the world. There is actually a more appropriate term - 'mulatto' which was specifically created to describe people born to black / white parents. Today it's considered 'dated and offensive', so we don't have a 'polite' and 'correct' way to describe the ethnicit…

Even before mulatto fell out of use, most white people called anyone with "a single drop of black blood" black. I grew up an a racist part of the southern US, and I assure you that my neighbors would have considered "mulatto" to be a kind of black person.

Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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http://ibmandtheholocaust.com/

IBM was contracted to collect census data for many of the European govts. with their wonderful new Hollerith machines in the 1930s.

This was then passed on / sold to the Third Reich and used to filter who went where.

You didn't think it was all done with pencil and paper did you ?

Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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Why is anyone surprised? If we should've learned anything from the last couple of weeks, it should be that it turns out that despite recent progress, America hasn't strayed far from its roots. The powers of government have long been used as a weapon against various groups over our history. All that's happened recently is the removing of the mask.

> "should've learned anything from the last couple of weeks, it should be that it turns out that despite recent progress, America hasn't strayed far from its roots.

What do you mean by that?

> The powers of government have long been used as a weapon against various groups over our history. All that's happened recently is the removing of the mask.

Agree with the first part. Can you expand on how what happened recently removed a "mask"?

Re: The U.S. Census Bureau Gave Up Names of Japanese-Americans in WWII (2007)

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If my memory is correct, the Japanese census does not collect data on ethnicity/race at all.

Did they have need to, given they are pretty homogeneous? On the other hand you have to register with the local Koseki[1] and last names are positive indicators of ethnicity for the non-Japanese [except for haafu with ethnic Japanese fathers]. On the other hand, France by law does not track race characteristics, so they can't rely on census statistics to know how well or poorly a population is doing. [1] https://en.w…

The irony is that we don't know, other than anecdotally or non-official sources, how racially/ethically homogeneous Japan is, unless I am mistaken.

Is it not true that non-citizens do not have entries in the koseki system? I may be misunderstanding. Is it not also true that on becoming a citizen, a "Japanese name" must be selected? Though I habe heard that such a name can be entirely in katakana, and simply a transliteration of a Western or Chinese name.

I know however that one may select an entirely "native Japanese" name upon naturalisation.

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