Not only coders are hard to recruit

globalgobble wrote: post #3

alexgotoi wrote: post #2

Feel free to ask anything or provide feedback. Thanks

I am not sure you can do this I believe sysadmin/sre/devops person wears too many hats. What are you going to test ?

We are going to give real life scenarios based on the various roles you are testing with.(basicly a ssh login to the test machine) And we plan to asses the candidates way of solving the problems based on what commands and what process it uses to identify and solve the problem.

Re: Not only coders are hard to recruit

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Post by hopster » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 1:18 PM UTC

When will be the beta version available to test?

Re: Not only coders are hard to recruit

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Post by alexgotoi » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 1:21 PM UTC

hopster wrote: post #5

When will be the beta version available to test?

We proposed to have it available on mid December. Subscribe on www.sysadminsarena.com and we will keep you up to date.

Re: Not only coders are hard to recruit

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Post by globalgobble » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 1:27 PM UTC

johnny_snq wrote: post #4

globalgobble wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure you can do this I believe sysadmin/sre/devops person wears too many hats. What are you going to test ?

We are going to give real life scenarios based on the various roles you are testing with.(basicly a ssh login to the test machine) And we plan to asses the candidates way of solving the problems based on what commands and what process it uses to identify and solve the problem.

Please allow me my honesty but that's a stupid way of thinking about candidates and the roles. Or I do not get it. So you are basically going to judge the candidate based on what criteria ? If they use vi instead of cat to append to a file ? So decide what is the best way of solving the problem ? Or you give +1pt for using tail instead of opening the whole file in VI ? Are you aware of the fact that there are many types of systems and products that sysadmins use ? They do not behave the same. It makes no sense to use "top" on Solaris even the number for "uptime" reported by Solaris are different. What about Windows sysadmins ? What about stuff like Veritas ? What about docker ?

Re: Not only coders are hard to recruit

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Post by pmoriarty » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 1:31 PM UTC

There's been a lot of criticism of hackerrank.[1][2]

Are you doing anything to make sure your service gets more respect?

[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12825953

[2] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12667174&source=techsto...

Re: Not only coders are hard to recruit

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Post by arenaninja » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 1:41 PM UTC

pmoriarty wrote: post #8

There's been a lot of criticism of hackerrank.[1][2] Are you doing anything to make sure your service gets more respect? [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12825953 [2] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12667174&source=techsto...

I don't think I would enjoy HackerRank as an interview, but as a user I do enjoy being able to practice computer science problems.

Re: Not only coders are hard to recruit

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Post by alexgotoi » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 1:42 PM UTC

pmoriarty wrote: post #8

There's been a lot of criticism of hackerrank.[1][2] Are you doing anything to make sure your service gets more respect? [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12825953 [2] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12667174&source=techsto...

Glad you asked that. As i saw in the treads mentioned by you, the common problem is that the tests are more about theory, and less about practice. Which is true. Sometimes, in interviews, you are asked about algorithms that you studied in college and never used before. It's very difficult to score high in this tests.

We propose to eliminate this gap by having real job, day to day, scenarios like: install apache, mysql, php, clone site, install database etc.

These are recurring task in the daily activities of a sysadmin.

What do you say?