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Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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Is there a way to take maybe a screenshot for people who don't use facebook?

https://s13.postimg.org/f09sy4vgn/Screen_Shot_2016_11_16_at_...

Thank you. Wow, politics do lie, but Trump took it to a new level. Seems like this will be a new standard from now on.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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The bigger issue is, many of these same folks are not gonna stop buying into "echo chamber" news and gossip just because FB stops publishing it. Sad as it is, this is what Fox News is to a super lesser extent. This is what shooting the sh-t at the bar with your buddies is. We don't need less fake news. We need a more educated and engaged public. Now that we have a president-elect that campaigned on gutting public fun…

"We need a more educated and engaged public". Well said.

However, the issue here is that pretty much every news outlet straight up shilled for a candidate. CNN, MSNBC, NYT, HuffPo, ABC, CBS for Clinton and Fox News for Trump.

How is a non-computer savvy person (your parents, aunts and uncles) that doesn't know how to research things online supposed to form an independent opinion if these news organizations are their only window into the world?

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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I have interacted with several people on Facebook who rely on fake news sources. I pointed out fake news articles several times on one person's Facebook page. She agreed the articles were not true. However, she added "I don't have time to figure out if they're true. People can read your comments." I asked her what she thought of the fact that this particular article, which was blatantly false, was shared 16,000 times…

I am using a standard line "It's fake. In general you should consider anything you see on Facebook, Twitter, Whatsapp or the Internet to be false by default." Engaging in refuting online garbage constantly is a painful waste of time, and keeping silent or blocking it just allows it to fester. I'm hoping that this makes a difference, and I've used a trivial and non-threatening example of fakery (fake supermoon pics) t…

I should add to the Urban Dictionary 'Is that a Facebook joke? - said in response to any sub-par attempt at humour.'

This is my standard line for those that spend too long on Facebook and believe that nothing in the mainstream media should be read under any circumstances whatsoever lest the propaganda lead to brainwashing.

My snarky response to someone's effort at being funny by repeating some drivel they read on one of their friend's pages is a bit miserable but it condenses everything I feel about how Facebook is a waste of time and quite dangerous for one's personality makeup. There is no need to have the discussion about why I am not on such things, opportunities arise for me to use the 'Is that a Facebook joke?' expression of sentiment.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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> I'd like to see most independents / democratic people unite under a real progressive platform next election and stop the extremist cycle of social issues vs fear mongering. There's virtually zero chance of this happening without another party collapsing first. Hell, even then, independents are harder to herd than cats.

Its impossible to happen under the system as it is established, but you just needed to push for a constitutional amendment and / or state compact like the one to overturn the electoral college to change the voting system to support either proportional (doesn't work when you elect a single seat like the president) or STV (ie runoff voting). The chance of that happening in the next four years? Really low. About as unli…

It's actually more likely to happen than ever:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Intersta...

But, ditching the electoral college is only a small part of the solution to the core problems in US politics.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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I've had similar experiences on Facebook. Facts don't matter. Even when linking to proof that something is fake news, the fake news doesn't get removed or addressed. This article about how Macedonian high school students are behind a lot of the fake news is worth reading: https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became...

This has me deeply, deeply concerned. The election is one thing, but what happens if/when elected officials start screwing with something like Social Security, resulting in a generation of people who had their tax dollars deferred, but saw no benefit when they retired? In a post-fact world, I'm not convinced that the people will take action against such a thing.

I posted a related story here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12975066

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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Do people really rely on facebook for news? I mean, I do not use any FB app other than the webapp that too in a private window with a different user agent. FB spooked me once by suggesting to me a person with whom I interacted totally via github (and probably gmail)

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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We didn't get this far despite our irrationality, we got this far because of it.

Interesting. Care to elaborate?

We're here, so there was some advantage to our irrationality. Hating outsiders helps our children survive for example.

I'd argue a lot of our best inventions required a certain amount of irrationality to create.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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I've had similar experiences on Facebook. Facts don't matter. Even when linking to proof that something is fake news, the fake news doesn't get removed or addressed. This article about how Macedonian high school students are behind a lot of the fake news is worth reading: https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became...

It is a reflection of real world behavior. Before Facebook, people spread similarly wild rumors via word of mouth.

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Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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I've had similar experiences on Facebook. Facts don't matter. Even when linking to proof that something is fake news, the fake news doesn't get removed or addressed. This article about how Macedonian high school students are behind a lot of the fake news is worth reading: https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became...

It is a reflection of real world behavior. Before Facebook, people spread similarly wild rumors via word of mouth.

Were they PAID at scale to do so in the past though?

That's the frightening part. The financial incentives in the system are all screwed up. These kids are doing it purely for the easy dollars; they don't even care about the politics at all.

It's like schoolyard taunts, except the kids are getting paid for who can come up with the most viral rumour. Something seems deeply, deeply broken about this at a systemic level that's different than say, people spreading misinformation to others they know by word-of-mouth.

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