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Post by panic »

rustynails77 wrote: post #95
panic wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but not everyone enjoys spending their time engaging with Nazi rhetoric. There are plenty of places outside of Twitter where you can actually choose whether or not to have a discussion.

Let's look at it another way. Ban all hate groups, or don't ban any of them. However, don't pick and choose. I don't agree with Neo Nazis. I hold Neo Nazis with the same contempt that I hold feminists. Why not apply the policy for all hate groups? For example, in Australia we refuse to acknowledge the approximately 25% of violence and abuse by females within the household. The worst case statistic is NSW ("Twice as m…

Feminism isn't a hate group. Feminists (at least the overwhelmingly vast majority) aren't trying to abuse or kill men. It's true that female-on-male abuse is ignored too often, but I don't think you can blame feminists for this: they're just focused on other issues.

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Post by paulddraper »

jgrowl wrote: post #39
dpc59 wrote: post #27

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alternative is pretty much a synonym of neo

I was thinking about this earlier. It's so silly. Neo Conservative was already taken so lets make up a new term to label people with. "I know, how about alt-right..."

The alternative is neo-neoconservative, like post-postmodernism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-postmodernism)

You're a programmer, right?

NewNewClass ...

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Post by commenting »

hnsucks2 wrote: post #64
commenting wrote: post #37

Good riddance. Twitter shouldn't let itself be a recruiting platform for neo-Nazis and their ilk. This is consistent with the ban on ISIS propaganda accounts, which was also a positive step towards combatting online extremism.

Are the banned "alt-right" commentators commensurate with ISIS propagandists? If so, how much else ought to be banned? Black power groups? Anti-fascist groups? Many "social justice" accounts post anti-white, anti-male messages with impunity. Should we then paint all people concerned with social justice with the same brush?

We already know the atrocity of a region being ruled by ISIS - imagine a country run by alt-right types. We don't have to look very far back in history to see what that would be like. Twitter is acting appropriately here in not wanting to aid the rise of such a movement.

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Post by paulddraper »

pekk wrote: post #92
hnsucks2 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the banned "alt-right" commentators commensurate with ISIS propagandists? If so, how much else ought to be banned? Black power groups? Anti-fascist groups? Many "social justice" accounts post anti-white, anti-male messages with impunity. Should we then paint all people concerned with social justice with the same brush?

Were the literal 1930s Nazis comparable to ISIS propagandists? If not, then why not? What about modern Neo-Nazis, are they really better? Why?

Ideologically, they're all extreme.

Practically, one of those three groups were widely successful among many millions of people. So you'll find a great sensitivity to that one.

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Post by leereeves »

commenting wrote: post #73
leereeves wrote: post #48

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I feel like the left seriously damaged their ability to fight racist ideas when they abandoned the idea of equality. Now, the left calls colorblindness and "all lives matter" racist. (Remember when Martin O'Malley was destroyed for saying that?) They create advantageous standards based on race, and even exclusive positions for non-white applicants. (For example, at the BBC.) And I too doubt they would object to "dedi…

Black Lives Matter means Black Lives Matter as well . The All Lives Matter movement, as a reaction to BLM, is essentially saying that they don't, and that the racial struggles of American Blacks are irrelevant. That is the reason why All Lives Matter is considered abusive.

Before there was an All Lives Matter movement, there was one candidate who said:

"Black lives matter. White lives matter. All lives matter."

Whatever may have happened after, there was little justification to destroy that candidate for saying this.

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Post by leereeves »

grad_ml wrote: post #110
iopq wrote: post #82

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> The All Lives Matter movement, as a reaction to BLM, is essentially saying that they don't That's not what "all" means. It's turning the name of the movement by implying it means "only" Black Lives Matter. So All Lives Matter is saying that not only Black Lives Matter.

The question is why people of color have to come up with "BLM" movement. Why not Latinos, White or some other racial entity (not yet, because they are not demographically significant)? Because there had been numerous instances, when black folks have been murdered by police brutally without any repercussions from courts or government. So, this is not the time for all lives matter, yet.

In truth this happens to all races.

It does happen to black people somewhat more often, per capita, but 50% of people killed by police are white.

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Post by geowwy »

paulddraper wrote: post #116
leereeves wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like the left seriously damaged their ability to fight racist ideas when they abandoned the idea of equality. Now, the left calls colorblindness and "all lives matter" racist. (Remember when Martin O'Malley was destroyed for saying that?) They create advantageous standards based on race, and even exclusive positions for non-white applicants. (For example, at the BBC.) And I too doubt they would object to "dedi…

> when they abandoned the idea of equality They still champion equality. Unfortunately, it's now the equality of outcome, rather than equality of opportunity.

> Unfortunately, it's now the equality of outcome, rather than equality of opportunity.

Yeah – or to put it another way, they champion social equality instead of equality under the law.

It's the difference between Classical Liberalism and the Social Liberalism which is currently in vogue.

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Post by farright »

commenting wrote: post #73
leereeves wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like the left seriously damaged their ability to fight racist ideas when they abandoned the idea of equality. Now, the left calls colorblindness and "all lives matter" racist. (Remember when Martin O'Malley was destroyed for saying that?) They create advantageous standards based on race, and even exclusive positions for non-white applicants. (For example, at the BBC.) And I too doubt they would object to "dedi…

Black Lives Matter means Black Lives Matter as well . The All Lives Matter movement, as a reaction to BLM, is essentially saying that they don't, and that the racial struggles of American Blacks are irrelevant. That is the reason why All Lives Matter is considered abusive.

You are interpreting "all lives matter" to mean this.

It could also mean that black people are not especially target by the police and that outrage at law enforcement is misplaced. For example we know that the rates of police violence against black people vs white people roughly mirrors arrest and conviction rates.

Now you might consider this incorrect, but I think it's a debate that has to be had in the open and not shut down by calling people racist.

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Post by comex »

cft wrote: post #79

Regardless of the alt-right point of view, I can only hope that https://gab.ai takes off and does not get shut down or sabotaged. We need a neutral social media.

What we need is decentralized social media without any one entity running it who can impose anything from censorship to advertising to going out of business.

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Post by commenting »

grandalf wrote: post #47

Why does everyone think censorship is the answer? The idea that "evil" ideas pollute minds is the same reasoning that neocons have for why Islam must be stopped. It's bizarre and farfetched. Our values of free speech and free expression are far more important than the cringeworthy and extremely stupid things some people choose to say. Twitter should not ban these accounts, or should it ban ISIS accounts or anything e…

Twitter doesn't have to be a neo-Nazi propaganda platform if it deems that unacceptable. They should (and do) have the freedom and liberty to choose who uses their service.
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