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Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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post #106

I have interacted with several people on Facebook who rely on fake news sources. I pointed out fake news articles several times on one person's Facebook page. She agreed the articles were not true. However, she added "I don't have time to figure out if they're true. People can read your comments." I asked her what she thought of the fact that this particular article, which was blatantly false, was shared 16,000 times…

For people in China where Facebook is not accessible, however, the same things happen in WeChat, especially in its Moments timeline which more or less resembles the one from Facebook. Fake `news', rumors, (unreliable) hints for health/food and click-baits are just more than popular. WeChat did provide a process to flag inappropriate articles, but people around the age of my parents just won't stop forwarding.

The flag can only stop a small amount of them. The real problem is that people unaware that they are reading fake news and share them to more and more people. This is doing a lot of harm.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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I have interacted with several people on Facebook who rely on fake news sources. I pointed out fake news articles several times on one person's Facebook page. She agreed the articles were not true. However, she added "I don't have time to figure out if they're true. People can read your comments." I asked her what she thought of the fact that this particular article, which was blatantly false, was shared 16,000 times…

It's time for startup to develop a Chrome Extension to detect fake news on Facebook.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be good to see if that study can be replicated.

"In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts, they found, were not curing misinformation. Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misinf…

I'm aware of the studies - I remember reading of them at the time - and find them fairly convincing.

It's just that since that time we've become more aware of the "replication crisis" in science generally, and it'd be nice to see independent researchers confirm Nyhan's findings.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts, they found, were not curing misinformation. Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misinf…

I'm aware of the studies - I remember reading of them at the time - and find them fairly convincing. It's just that since that time we've become more aware of the "replication crisis" in science generally, and it'd be nice to see independent researchers confirm Nyhan's findings.

Anecdotally, it's replicated by several individuals I've run into (it seems to be the exceptional person that can process incoming data that conflicts with their worldview) and pretty much every other commenter has had similar experiences on this thread. Not scientific, of course...but...

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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post #187

Well all this political talk gives me some ideas. Is it possible, at this stage, for geographically large countries with very large populations to move forward in a coherent way? All of the better places to live, as rated by purchasing power, health, education, what have you, are either geographically small and or have a small population. China, India, Russia, Brazil, USA - all these big places with big pipulations r…

The smaller the population, the higher the variance. Large countries are not bad, they are average. The worst countries, like the best, tend to be small.

Good point, thanks.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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I have interacted with several people on Facebook who rely on fake news sources. I pointed out fake news articles several times on one person's Facebook page. She agreed the articles were not true. However, she added "I don't have time to figure out if they're true. People can read your comments." I asked her what she thought of the fact that this particular article, which was blatantly false, was shared 16,000 times…

It's time for startup to develop a Chrome Extension to detect fake news on Facebook.

I've thought the same thing, but the people interested in using such an extension would get their news from places other than Facebook.

Self-selection bias greatly reduces the efficacy of such an extension.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't so much directed at you, but this seems a great place to note that there are races on the ballot other than president, usually your local elections will have a bigger impact on your day-to-day life than the national ones, and your vote carries orders of magnitude more weight. Pay attention down-ballot!

In my district, the margins on those were even larger than the presidential margins. I still voted, but the outcomes were all very predictable here.

Are you actually saying the difference - in number of votes - for President for your state was smaller than the difference - in number of votes - for every local judge, school board member, etc?

I mean, not impossible, but surprising. Where are you located?

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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post #15

I quit Facebook 1 to 2 years ago. I suppose that's one of the reasons I didn't understand the hatred during the election towards the other side. I don't have a feed of "He's evil" "She's evil". I saw two bad candidates and I understand where people are coming from with their votes. I'd like to see most independents / democratic people unite under a real progressive platform next election and stop the extremist cycle…

Facebook was never really an important part of my life, it was more something I was kind of "forced" into because everyone else used it for communication, planning, etc.

However, I stone cold quit about 6-8 months ago because the election nonsense was ramping up and it got bad. I mean baaaaad. Both sides talking nonsense about the other.

I just didn't want to deal with the emotional toll of having to sift through that nonsense every damned day, and since FB wasn't really something that was important to me, it was extremely easy to just walk away. I'll log back in occasionally, and every time I do I remember immediately what caused me to quit.

It's bad.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's that combined with the echo chamber effect of their algorithms. I've watched a diverse group of smart and average people across political spectrum this election. Most of them consistently shared unsubstantiated claims or biased media. As expected, their media was always presenting evidence for their side and agsinst the other. Corporate media always did that for maximizing ratings and ad impressions. However, th…

It would be really nice if you wouldn't consistently post such balanced comments as they're doing nothing to reinforce the polarization, anger, and frustration we find so vital to drive engagement, page views, clicks, and time on site. "The effects will only get worse over time." I'm trying to think of comparable societal changes that we've been able to reverse at least sufficiently ameliorate. My imagination (and kn…

"It would be really nice if you wouldn't consistently post such balanced comments"

Lol. Believe me, a few people on social media agreed and I can't see their stuff any more. ;)

"I'm trying to think of comparable societal changes that we've been able to reverse at least sufficiently ameliorate. "

Similarly having a hard time. This particular one got reversed temporarily each time new mediums were invented. Then, the people using such tactics mastered them for the new mediums. Helps when the start rolling in money then use it to ensure the dominance. The social media has more potential to counter this than ever if they just adjust the algorithm to bridge the groups a certain percentage of time. They can mostly create a comfortable experience for the ad revenue but should make sure articles citing at least half-ass sources float into opposing feeds while letting bullshit stuff Snopes counters fall lower. That simple change, applied to everyone, might have a significant effect on the situation at least for moderates or rational people likely to effect change.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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I have interacted with several people on Facebook who rely on fake news sources. I pointed out fake news articles several times on one person's Facebook page. She agreed the articles were not true. However, she added "I don't have time to figure out if they're true. People can read your comments." I asked her what she thought of the fact that this particular article, which was blatantly false, was shared 16,000 times…

So the average people mostly wants to live in a reinforcing bias, and not "truth" ?
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