Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us (2013) [pdf] • Hacker News Board

Re: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us (2013) [pdf]

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Post by ubernostrum » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 3:41 AM UTC

MichaelBurge wrote: post #87

pnutjam wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Consider that Californian's pay about $290 Billion to the Feds and the state collects about $70 billion. Do other small countries pay most of their taxes to a larger central organization? Much of that Federal money gets shunted to other states.

For consistency, I also support repealing the 16th amendment and removing the interstate commerce clause. Then California would have more direct control over its citizens' tax money.

Why stop there?

You seem to want not a nation of 50 states, but 50 completely independently sovereign nations which will somehow miraculously also agree to cooperate on the handful of things that you personally feel they should.

This has been tried, and failed, and was replaced with the Constitution we have now.

Re: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us (2013) [pdf]

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Post by grzm » Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 3:46 AM UTC

ubernostrum wrote: post #91

MichaelBurge wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For consistency, I also support repealing the 16th amendment and removing the interstate commerce clause. Then California would have more direct control over its citizens' tax money.

Why stop there? You seem to want not a nation of 50 states, but 50 completely independently sovereign nations which will somehow miraculously also agree to cooperate on the handful of things that you personally feel they should. This has been tried, and failed, and was replaced with the Constitution we have now.

At one time it was more common to use "These United States of America" and "the United States are …"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#Etymology

Re: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us (2013) [pdf]

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Post by ainiriand » Fri, Nov 18, 2016, 1:29 PM UTC

yummyfajitas wrote: post #69

ainiriand wrote: post #58

It is good to live in a country where I only spend 50 euro per month in taxes for all the care I could need! Its great to be in the first world!

On average the Spanish pay $223/month on health care, not $50. Spain has a $GDP/capita of $30k and spends 9% of GDP on health care.

I hope you have a spanish pay slip (like I do) to see the figures for yourself. That, or you make a LOT of money.

Re: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us (2013) [pdf]

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Post by wernercd » Mon, Nov 21, 2016, 10:51 PM UTC

ubernostrum wrote: post #91

MichaelBurge wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For consistency, I also support repealing the 16th amendment and removing the interstate commerce clause. Then California would have more direct control over its citizens' tax money.

Why stop there? You seem to want not a nation of 50 states, but 50 completely independently sovereign nations which will somehow miraculously also agree to cooperate on the handful of things that you personally feel they should. This has been tried, and failed, and was replaced with the Constitution we have now.

The reality is in the middle. We are ONE Nation AND FIFTY Nations.

> which will somehow miraculously also agree to cooperate on the handful of things that you personally feel they should

That's what the constitution is for... it states what the Federal Government does... everything else SHOULD be state issues.

Those clearly drawn lines have been eroded over the years and is one of the larger points of contentions between the "Constitutionalists" who think that we should have a government actually limited by those rules... and those who think the government has all the answers and should have no limit