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Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

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Do you trust them to break up all the alternate reality bubbles, or just the ones they don't like? What's truly dangerous here is that one organization has so much control over what news people see.

There's got be some non-political algorithms. Maybe tracking news articles to their sources (text/phrase similarity searching), showing sources, and flagging quality by accuracy of details? A few years of improvement on automatic text summarizing might be able to catch political "telephone" articles that erase and morph crucial details.

That just pushes the problem back, unfortunately. Do you trust the people who designed the algorithm? Even if they were wonderful, apolitical idealists, do you trust the people who maintain the systems after those guys leave the company to stick with it, no matter what? After all, this election is the Most Important One In Our Lifetimes, so surely it's okay to put our thumbs on the scale just a little bit in the name of truth and justice... it's for the sake of the children/gays/whoever, you know... what kind of heartless monster would just stand by when they could make a difference?

Ultimately the only way to really address this problem is to have a diverse variety of competing news sources so at least they aren't all captured in the same way at the same time. There's no way to line this up with Facebook being the One News Source, any more than if it was the government doing it.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

#152
post #139

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The fact that "post-truth" was picked as the word of the year for 2016 is very frightening.

Citation? Edited to add: /s

sure: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/16/po...

and

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/word-of-the-year/word-of-t...

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

#153
post #139

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Citation? Edited to add: /s

sure: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/16/po... and https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/word-of-the-year/word-of-t...

Thanks :) My comment was actually a (poor) attempt at humor. I didn't think it would work if I added /s. Didn't work anyway :)

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

#154
post #144

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> What can we do? Upvotes/downvotes? Won't work at scale, because likes/shares have a connotation of legitimacy. News verification seems like the perfect application of NLP, AI, and data mining techniques. Can it make any money for anyone? Right now it is much more profitable to make fake news and use data mining to manipulate people: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/features/2015-11-12/is-the...

I don't think those technologies are well suited to this problem at all. I was just talking to some Swiss journalists last night. You know what Swiss news organizations are using those technologies for? To make their writing more "engaging", i.e. more sensationalist, not for fact-checking.

> I don't think those technologies are well suited to this problem at all.

How so? Deciding whether news is fake or not seems like a textbook application of natural language classification and search.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

#155

I have interacted with several people on Facebook who rely on fake news sources. I pointed out fake news articles several times on one person's Facebook page. She agreed the articles were not true. However, she added "I don't have time to figure out if they're true. People can read your comments." I asked her what she thought of the fact that this particular article, which was blatantly false, was shared 16,000 times…

We don't really have an independent press anymore, and blog-sphere can be trivially gamed by interested and powerful actors. Have we as a civilization ever witnessed such a pervasive disinformation culture?

I forget who said this, possibly a character in Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, but the idea was that when a population perceives that the social order is unfair (due to bad faith power actors) the general powerless members of society engage in silent acts of social sabotage and everyone becomes an antisocial actor. The parallel here, imo, with the now general awareness of our being subject to intense propaganda and disinformation by nearly all venues, is that lying for your ideological cause is OK. And frankly, when torture is OK, I suppose lying is OK too. Why the hell not.

So. Apparently "fake news" is OK [1] if your camp is doing it. Interestingly enough, this dialectical push-pull on disinformation will result with an information regime designed to 'safeguard us and our national security' against disinformation. Yesterday we laughed when a CNN muppet warned us to not read Wikileaks and leave that to 'authorized media'. Tomorrow, the joke will be on us.

(Btw, people in this community could step up and start looking into what would an unbiased fact checking system and infrastructure would look like. Let's not leave it to the Alphabets and Google to do the fact checking bit for us.)

[1]: http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/11/what-does-jared-kushn...

That's a VF.Hive hit piece on DJT. Not a problem, since its a gossip book anyway, but note it's reference to an NBC news item regarding security clearances for family members, and how it glibly notes in passing that DJT denies it, but "purges" and "house of cards" narrative is more entertaining, so on goes the show.

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

#157
post #115

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It would drastically reduce the voting power of several red states. Only recently (since 2000) has the EC being different than the popular vote been a problem. Both times it's gone in the republicans favour. It would definitely be radical change though.

Kind of a small sample size, right? I guess I'm hesitant to change the political dynamic of a nation based on just that.

Why shouldn't everyone's vote count the same?

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

#158
Well all this political talk gives me some ideas.

Is it possible, at this stage, for geographically large countries with very large populations to move forward in a coherent way?

All of the better places to live, as rated by purchasing power, health, education, what have you, are either geographically small and or have a small population.

China, India, Russia, Brazil, USA - all these big places with big pipulations rank poorly in some number of quality of life indicators.

Australia, Canada, New Zealand aren't without their problems but seem to suffer a less severe case of the issues. And then there's those Scandinavian countries which rate highly.

Why this pattern?

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

#159
post #153

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sure: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/16/po... and https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/word-of-the-year/word-of-t...

Thanks :) My comment was actually a (poor) attempt at humor. I didn't think it would work if I added /s. Didn't work anyway :)

Hah... I figured it might have been but then again this is the internet so....

Re: Snowden: Stop Relying on Facebook for Your News

#160

I have interacted with several people on Facebook who rely on fake news sources. I pointed out fake news articles several times on one person's Facebook page. She agreed the articles were not true. However, she added "I don't have time to figure out if they're true. People can read your comments." I asked her what she thought of the fact that this particular article, which was blatantly false, was shared 16,000 times…

I've had similar experiences on Facebook. Facts don't matter. Even when linking to proof that something is fake news, the fake news doesn't get removed or addressed. This article about how Macedonian high school students are behind a lot of the fake news is worth reading: https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became...

It is a reflection of real world behavior. Before Facebook, people spread similarly wild rumors via word of mouth.
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