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Re: Twitter suspends alt-right figureheads

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Post by reitanqild »

tptacek wrote: post #276
Taek wrote: post #240

118 points in 1 hour, page 3 of HN? This story is writing itself. The alt-right is not a small number of people. 50 million went to the polls and voted for Trump. And with things like this, you're giving them ammunition. You just told 50 million people that their views are not accepted in society. You just told the electoral majority that they are not allowed in one of the most common forums for political discourse.…

The story here is simply that politics don't belong on Hacker News, and users (rightly) flag stories like this.

IMO the problem seems to be this stories shoot up until people who are happy with the outcome of the election cements the top spots of the threads again (they do, on every story, seems there is a majority of people here who are happy with or at least respect the election.) Then flagging starts. At least this is what it looks like to me.

IMO some debate is useful and it could also be good because we could flag out a few more people who like to dismiss others as "dumb racists".

Re: Twitter suspends alt-right figureheads

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Post by Mithaldu »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #348
Mithaldu wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's my reason why there's nothing i can respect there: One of my best friends is a person in the USA, requiring constant medical support (literally one skipped day can kill them) in a queer marriage. The people directly around trump would rather see my friend die, alone. Not all of the people who voted for him, by far. Many are not even aware of the consequences this has already had. (Yes, various friends of mine…

> But respect? For casting a vote to spite people? For casting a vote without having done proper research? You seem to be assuming that no one voted for Trump, only against Hillary. Personally, I voted for him because I support his Supreme Court nominees and his gun rights platform.

No, i am assuming that many people were direly mislead.

Also, do you support his nominee William Pryor?

Re: Twitter suspends alt-right figureheads

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Post by maxerickson »

LyndsySimon wrote: post #346
maxerickson wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they understand what is happening to the label that they identify with? Do they seek to make a clear statement about what they believe the alt right stands for? If they let some definition take hold that includes racism, then in the future when they object to saying that the alt right is racist, they aren't standing up for what they believe in anymore, they are providing cover for the racists that stole the label…

Racists are not the people who are defining the term - it's the left and the media.

Who changes the meaning is totally irrelevant to it becoming cover. It's not fair to the people that aren't racist, but it's irrelevant to whether they end up providing cover for racists.

Re: Twitter suspends alt-right figureheads

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Post by tptacek »

reitanqild wrote: post #351
tptacek wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The story here is simply that politics don't belong on Hacker News, and users (rightly) flag stories like this.

IMO the problem seems to be this stories shoot up until people who are happy with the outcome of the election cements the top spots of the threads again (they do, on every story, seems there is a majority of people here who are happy with or at least respect the election.) Then flagging starts. At least this is what it looks like to me. IMO some debate is useful and it could also be good because we could flag out a f…

You honestly think the majority of HN participants are happy with the outcome of the election?

Re: Twitter suspends alt-right figureheads

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Post by reitanqild »

Mithaldu wrote: post #353
LyndsySimon wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But respect? For casting a vote to spite people? For casting a vote without having done proper research? You seem to be assuming that no one voted for Trump, only against Hillary. Personally, I voted for him because I support his Supreme Court nominees and his gun rights platform.

No, i am assuming that many people were direly mislead. Also, do you support his nominee William Pryor?

> Also, do you support his nominee William Pryor?

Do you support the Iraqi war?

Because the other candidate did.

This is not all black and white.

Re: Twitter suspends alt-right figureheads

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Post by Mithaldu »

reitanqild wrote: post #357
Mithaldu wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, i am assuming that many people were direly mislead. Also, do you support his nominee William Pryor?

> Also, do you support his nominee William Pryor? Do you support the Iraqi war? Because the other candidate did. This is not all black and white.

She supported it in the past. She did also: At the very least make the effort to claim she does not any more, at the very least researched the words a person actually believing those things would use, and at the very least made the effort of claiming she would not repeat such.

Or is this fake? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/07/hillary_cl...

If it's real, I'm ready to give her the benefit of the doubt.

If Pryor disawoved his previous actions in a similarly convincing manner, i would also give him the benefit of the doubt.

But right now he has made no such statements, leaving me to believe he both internally and externally still stands by them; and is thus at least down vis-a-vis Hillary on one count.

Re: Twitter suspends alt-right figureheads

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Post by makomk »

jinfiesto wrote: post #264
LyndsySimon wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No one is suggesting that all or most Trump supporters are racist. "You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.” - Hillary Clinton, Sep 2016

Many Democrats, myself included thought that particular statement was unnecessarily incendiary. Though, in the bit of text that you quoted, I was mostly referring to the context of this thread. I don't think that there's any doubt that much of the liberal media has broadly painted all Trump supporters as being racists, bigots and xenophobes.

I saw a lot of people on my Twitter feed at the time arguing that actually, half was an understatement and that Clinton should never have backed down on this.
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