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Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Many of those patents are directly targeting Linux and all are BS. Samsung earns enough money so that they chose not to enter multi billion dollar gambit where law protects BS software patents.

A quick look at the list tells me you don't know what you're talking about. First one: using cell network and GPS for more accurate positioning. That has nothing to do with Linux or Android directly, and everything to do with ANY CELLPHONE.

Where is this list ?

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Apparently, being a platinum member entails donating $500k [1], so it's not that big a deal for Microsoft ($85B revenue[2]). And as the article states, there has been negativity in the linux community regarding the old arch-enemy joining their ranks. Looking at the new Microsoft however, I think it's fair to assume that the days of "embrace, extend and extinguish"[3] are over and they are genuinely interested in coop…

> I think it's fair to assume that the days of "embrace, extend and extinguish" are over and they are genuinely interested in cooperation.

I'd welcome that, but MS still needs to fix several very major issues which stand in the way of such cooperation.

1. Stop the patent aggression.

2. More support for open standards. Especially in 3D graphics (DirectX lock-in), filesystems on removable media (exFAT lock-in), and so on and so forth.

3. Stop Windows tax / Windows bundling anti-competitive practices.

Once those are changed for the better, I'd say MS really changed. There is some progress with the above for example in case of the browser. MS joining Alliance for Open Media is one such case. But quite a lot still remains problematic.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Half the HN frontpage right now is MS articles. Seems oddly coincidental. We can't forget about the bad MS is still doing: forced Win10 upgrades, Win10 spyware, Android patent extortion, FAT/VFAT/exFAT patent suits and licenses, etc. The developer arm seems to be working hard, which is commendable. But looking at the rest of the org, this just seems like another Embrace round of the EEE cycle.

Let's wait for Linux Millenium Edition

Well, we did already get 3.11 "Linux For Workgroups"[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_kernel_names

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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The vast majority of the kernel code is a massive number of drivers and subsystems that can be worked on independendly. A better funded Linux Foundation could also invest in better tooling (better compilers, better test rigs), and in research on speculative improvements to pretty much every subsystem.

Yea, good point. But on that note, I never understood why they track the drivers in the same git repo as the kernel. They should just develop a stable kernel API for drivers, and have extract the drivers out and track them separately from kernel development.

> But on that note, I never understood why they track the drivers in the same git repo as the kernel.

Because the advantage of Linux drivers is code sharing, cooperation between different companies include competeting one, hierarchy of maintainers and developers. No driver code can be merged into upstream driver until subsystem maintainer, Linus and planty other developers see it.

So companies that maintain drivers in same subsystem improve and fix each others code. They also can't just merge some mess into upstream and have to follow certain rules that benefit kernel as whole. E.g for instance at least in GPU drivers it's not allowed to add any code upstream if it's only used by proprietary components in userspace.

> They should just develop a stable kernel API for drivers, and have extract the drivers out and track them separately from kernel development.

https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/stable_api_nonsense...

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Another example of how far Microsoft's focus has changed. Rather than focusing on products, they're focused on selling solutions.

Aren't all products essentially solutions?

Yes, but if your focus is on selling hammers, everything looks like a nail. If your focus is on selling fastener-drivers, you realize that sometimes you need a screwdriver instead.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Kaspersky and all of the AV vendors deserve to get wiped out.

I'd like to know why you think that, and also if you think that W10's unstoppable updates is the right way.

Not the grandparent, but I think the issue is that people want clients to have an uptime that is comparable to a server.

Windows Server has controllable updates and reboots. Win 10 - is a client OS and wasn't designed with the same level of hardening and shouldn't have the same uptime requirements.

The challenge is convincing the general public of this; people want a Ford Fiesta with the speed and features of a Audi R8, meaning they want the best of all worlds at reasonable cost and no penalties.

By forcing updates on clients, MS has eliminated a generation of machines being owned by various botnets. They've also made it relatively cheap to get a server in Azure should you have a temporary need for uptime (like a research project for a week).

That aside, some portions of those updates are bad (like removing functionality, pushing telemetry, etc), but the overall strategy of auto updating isn't a bad idea if they can convince people to adjust to it and use Server when they need stability.

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Do you not count SQL Server, VS Code, ASP.NET core running Linux as cooperation? They are genuinely trying here.

It is definitely a step in the right direction. But I'd argue that the most used microsoft product in the world (besides Windows) is MS Office. What holds a lot of people back from running Linux is that they don't like dealing with compatibility issues with LibreOffice and MS Office. Microsoft knows if they open source or port MS Office to Linux, they will lose a massive market share and millions of people will stop…

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Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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A quick look at the list tells me you don't know what you're talking about. First one: using cell network and GPS for more accurate positioning. That has nothing to do with Linux or Android directly, and everything to do with ANY CELLPHONE.

Where is this list ?

http://images.mofcom.gov.cn/pep/201404/20140408143159274.doc...

Re: Microsoft Becomes Linux Foundation Platinum Member

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Ah! Ok, that actually makes a bit more sense... thanks for clarifying! That's actually quite neat then.

TBC, parts of Azure are now starting to migrate to pure linux on linux.

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